[Bananamanize]

Originally Posted by Moloko ↗

Wasn't a saint? He has a long criminal record of domestic violence amongst other criminal activities. How do you think the woman he threatened to shoot in order to kill her unborn child feels every time she sees that cunt's face on TV?

Chauvin didn't kill him either. He didn't even have his knee on his neck. He was following textbook procedure.

Floyd died from a Fentanyl overdose.

Sick and tired of violent, criminal cunts being made into fucking martyrs.

He didn’t have his knee on his neck? Watch the video you fucking moron, even the police department’s own chief said Chauvin’s use of force was in direct violation of their own policy. Have you actually been following this trial at all?

[joos]

That leaked bodycam footage is very interesting. Floyd was freaking long before he was on the ground. He was screaming "I can't breathe" when he was both laying, and sitting in the back of the squad car. Something was definitely not right with him from the start. What's also interesting is that FLOYD forced himself onto the ground in the position where he ended up famously. The cops didn't even force him there - he forced himself there willingly.

HOWEVER, after watching the multiple cell phone videos. It is obvious that Chauvin fucking killed him. But I don't pin it solely on him either. That Asian ****** is responsible too. He was too busy playing toughguy with the audience to step in and do the right thing, and tap out Chauvin. I don't lay as much blame, if any, on the two cops at the ass end of Floyd cuz they likely couldn't see what was happening up front. Chauvin definitely needs to pay for his actions, but Asian fucker needs to be responsible too.

In any case, Floyd was absolutely no saint. He was clearly not following directions, resisting, and acting super suspicious right off the bat. He's at fault for his own stupid death too. If he'd have just sat in the fucking car, instead of forcing himself to the ground, he'd have ended up alive.

[Pyramid_Head]

Originally Posted by joos ↗

That leaked bodycam footage is very interesting. Floyd was freaking long before he was on the ground. He was screaming "I can't breathe" when he was both laying, and sitting in the back of the squad car. Something was definitely not right with him from the start. What's also interesting is that FLOYD forced himself onto the ground in the position where he ended up famously. The cops didn't even force him there - he forced himself there willingly.

HOWEVER, after watching the multiple cell phone videos. It is obvious that Chauvin fucking killed him. But I don't pin it solely on him either. That Asian ****** is responsible too. He was too busy playing toughguy with the audience to step in and do the right thing, and tap out Chauvin. I don't lay as much blame, if any, on the two cops at the ass end of Floyd cuz they likely couldn't see what was happening up front. Chauvin definitely needs to pay for his actions, but Asian fucker needs to be responsible too.

In any case, Floyd was absolutely no saint. He was clearly not following directions, resisting, and acting super suspicious right off the bat. He's at fault for his own stupid death too. If he'd have just sat in the fucking car, instead of forcing himself to the ground, he'd have ended up alive.

This is the best fucking thing I've read in this train wreck of a thread.

[beepboop]

I don't agree with our police officers in America being trained by the Israeli military. That is where the knee on neck restraint technique comes from.
Our police officers should be trained in the US, by us citizens.

[Cathedral]

Originally Posted by HSO ↗

I was in the bathroom at Burger King today.

There was a commotion coming from the bathroom stall, when out came a man with a wet pantleg covered with toilet water & feces.

He told me he sent a turd to hell with his knee, since it wouldn’t voluntarily flush itself.

I admired his courage and gave him a fist-bump.

I never caught his name, but it doesn’t matter. I’m gonna call him “Chauvin.”

American justice and gastrointestinal peace. Everyone wins.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by shipoopi ↗

Stunned to see so much racism and hatred on this thread. George Floyd wasn't a saint, but so what? He didn't deserve to die for a suspected counterfeit bill. Chauvin is guilty of murder, and most Americans see this clearly according to polling data. There is no logical, sound, reasonable, or ethical way to defend Chauvin. Period.

No he didn't deserve to die. But why give Floyd every benefit of the doubt, and attribute the worst motive and intent towards the police?

[niknik]

Originally Posted by shipoopi ↗

Stunned to see so much racism and hatred on this thread. George Floyd wasn't a saint, but so what? He didn't deserve to die for a suspected counterfeit bill. Chauvin is guilty of murder, and most Americans see this clearly according to polling data. There is no logical, sound, reasonable, or ethical way to defend Chauvin. Period.

You're just closed minded, or just bias. You say logical, sound, reasonable or ethical way. There certainly is a logical, reasonable, and ethical way.

Ethically, he may have been trained do what he did. That department probably has done that hundreds of times without incident. So ethically, he was doing what he was trained to do, has done many times, seen done.

It's reasonable to think he wasn't applying very much pressure to Floyd, or that he believed he wasn't applying very much pressure, certainly reasonable to think he didn't believe he was going to kill him.

Which would make it logical to think he is innocent of murder.

I think its more ignorant to believe he was purposely trying to harm Floyd. With other cops watching, body cams recoding, citizen witnesses, citizens filming, and a crowd gathering very involved in the incident.

[Natie]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

You're just closed minded, or just bias. You say logical, sound, reasonable or ethical way. There certainly is a logical, reasonable, and ethical way.

Ethically, he may have been trained do what he did. That department probably has done that hundreds of times without incident. So ethically, he was doing what he was trained to do, has done many times, seen done.

It's reasonable to think he wasn't applying very much pressure to Floyd, or that he believed he wasn't applying very much pressure, certainly reasonable to think he didn't believe he was going to kill him.

Which would make it logical to think he is innocent of murder.

I think its more ignorant to believe he was purposely trying to harm Floyd. With other cops watching, body cams recoding, citizen witnesses, citizens filming, and a crowd gathering very involved in the incident.

I mean that's all fine and well but this whole trial and every charge he is facing isn't on the grounds of intent. What he intended to do isn't on trial, what he did do is.

You can't in any possible way defend kneeling on someone who is unconscious. Kneeling on their back, legs, neck, elbow...any part of their body. If you are in police custody for any reason they are liable for your safety regardless of if you deserve it or not. Regardless of if the medical emergency is drug related, injury related, self-inflicted or cop related.

Forget the first 15 minutes of the tape. The moment that Floyd became unresponsive and those cops did nothing for him even though they are trained and obligated to, is the moment that will 100% get them convicted.

[soja]

Originally Posted by Natie ↗

You can't in any possible way defend kneeling on someone who is unconscious. Kneeling on their back, legs, neck, elbow...any part of their body. If you are in police custody for any reason they are liable for your safety regardless of if you deserve it or not. Regardless of if the medical emergency is drug related, injury related, self-inflicted or cop related.

actually you can defend it. easily. police procedure in the department lists the knee restraint as a non-lethal manuver that can be held safely for up to 25 mins. any healthy person would have been totally fine in the restraint.

Originally Posted by Natie ↗

Forget the first 15 minutes of the tape. The moment that Floyd became unresponsive and those cops did nothing for him even though they are trained and obligated to, is the moment that will 100% get them convicted.

this is false too. we got testimony in the trial that states perps have been known to rise after a few seconds after being knocked unconscious and often times they will be in a state of frenzy. police had to protect themselves, bystanders, and floyd himself from running into traffic that was continuing to buzz by.

also, testimony states the ambulance should have been on the scene within 4 mins. it is easy to imagine chauvin was trying to restrain floyd until paramedics arrived on the scene so he could get proper medical care. what were the police gonna do? they called the ambulance immediately. it would have been reasonable for chauvin to simply restrain floyd until the ambulance got there, after all, it is their job to secure the scene for an ambulance. letting floyd up to fight some more would be detrimental to the situation.

if he did "die on camera" as you seem to want to believe, then there is nothing the police could have done. and regular people don't die after being in a non lethal restraint for a few mins. bottom line is floyd was unhealthy, high on drugs, and he died while frantically resisting arrest. it is sad and tragic, but no need to get all excited and call this murder because of it.

[WonderMomma]

A verdict has been reached and will be read within the next hour or so. New thread regarding the verdict here: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...-00-et-222539/