Trayvon Martin Crime Scene Photos

**Vedderman** · #**221** ● 07-12-2013, 09:42 PM

If one believes Martin was given no reason at all to physically confront Zimmerman, one has not been paying any attention at all.

Oh, so Zimmerman 'provokes' the situation by getting out of the car and is 100% wrong for doing so, but Martin is (your own words) TOTALLY JUSTIFIED in beating the shit out of Zimmerman for following him? So Z escalates and is condemned utterly and when M has a chance to leave and instead escalates he is 100% justified?

Is the glaring contrast and utter breakdown in consistency and logic in your hypocritical statement not painfully obvious to you?

**Vedderman** · #**222** ● 07-12-2013, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by ArtOfLife ↗

In that case, yes, he would have been totally justified in doing anything he could against a man who approached him with a weapon.

A man approaches you in a hostile manner with a gun out and in-hand and you think the 'justified' response is to bellow a fucking battle-cry and bullrush him? Yeah...maybe if you're Raylan fucking Givens.

I have no idea what happened that night. Neither does anyone else. Between the darkness, the rain, the panic, the head injury, and the PTSD, it is possible Zimmerman doesn't even know 100% what happened.

I agree that Zimmerman's judgement was flawed in setting the entire thing in motion. What I find ridiculous is that you seem flat-out unwilling to even acknowledge that Martin escalated things further (to his own unarguable detriment) by beating the shit out of Zimmerman when he should have just RUN THE FUCK AWAY.

Zimmerman was a chubby neighborhood watch captain, not Jason fucking Vorhees and not John Rambo.

If he DIDN'T have the gun out, then martin's wisest course was to run the hell away. If he DID have the gun out, then Martin should have put his goddam hands up and surrendered.

If he had done either of those things, there's a good chance he'd be alive. I don't know whether he started the fist-fight or not. What I am saying (and you seem utterly unable to comprehend) is that if he DID start it then it was utterly foolish and there was no course of events that would have made him 'totally justified' in doing so.

ArtOfLife · #**223** ● 07-12-2013, 10:09 PM

Not much worth replying to there, but yeah, sure. If Martin perceived himself to be in danger, he should have run. Because he has no right to protect himself at all, I get it. You again, assume he had the choice of running. The only thing we know without any doubt at all, is that but for Zimmerman's actions, this whole situation wouldn't have happened at all. That's the only FACT we know. It was all his choice. None of it would have happened but for his actions. We can guess all day if Martin could have run, had a choice besides fighting, but we know for sure, without any doubt at all, that Zimmerman did have every choice in the world.

It's astonishing to me that some people can see that Zimmerman might have had a right to respond with deadly force, but on the other hand think Martin's only proper recourse (that we can't even know he HAD) was to turn tail and run when he was well within his rights to be where he was, and doing nothing wrong. Sure, for all we know Martin may have just decked him straight off the bat. Or Zimmerman may have walked behind him and grabbed him. Or as the facts suggest, Zimmerman may have drawn his weapon and Martin may have not even felt he had the option of running. We don't know, on that I guess we both agree.

Edit: And yes, there are circumstances which would have made Martin totally justified in fighting him. Just like Zimmerman wasn't necessarily wrong in responding with deadly force. Like the investigator said, you can start a fight, be overwhelmed, and still have the right to respond with deadly force. All I am getting at, is that but for his actions, NONE of it would have happened. They'd have never even met. Putting the responsibility squarely on him, in my book.

gimlet · #**224** ● 07-12-2013, 10:41 PM

African Americans and watermelon flavored tea, there is a joke here, right?

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ArtOfLife · #**225** ● 07-12-2013, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

Your assuming that trevon had the option of running.... your assuming that George identified himself as LE........ You can't outrun bullets

I just love how fucking backwards people get it. "Martin could/should have run!!" But you point out to most people the FACT that Zimmerman could/should have not initiated the entire chain of events and is solely responsible for everything that happened, and is the only one we KNOW had a choice, and they completely lose their shit and try to flip it on you

tootsieflowrslave · #**226** ● 07-12-2013, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by invertigo ↗

I'd like to add that in the event of any angry riots in the aftermath of an acquittal, I hold the media indirectly responsible.
They may not have lit the match, but they've done as much as they could to fan the flames.
All these stations and 'news outlets' covered the LA riots. They know damn well the dangers of treating blacks and whites as 'equal but separate' citizens. It's time to retire that mentality, but how can anyone do that when major media is so determined to convince people that everyone secretly hates each other, even when they've never shown any prior racial prejudice in their life. Despicable.

You'll find more credible reporting in the National Enquirer.

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One of my favorite quotes of all time: "Whoever controls the media, controls the mind."

I don't think the influence media has on culture can possibly be understated. These guys unfortunately are bankrupt of ethics and don't give a shit how much their flights of fancy have gated progress toward mitigating this mentality. I hate it just as much as you.

rob666 · #**227** ● 07-13-2013, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by ArtOfLife ↗

I just love how fucking backwards people get it. "Martin could/should have run!!" But you point out to most people the FACT that Zimmerman could/should have not initiated the entire chain of events and is solely responsible for everything that happened, and is the only one we KNOW had a choice, and they completely lose their shit and try to flip it on you

I know man, I just don't get it either

Sometimes a little thing can turn into a HUGE thing even if you didn't mean for it to happen...... Which is why the 911 Operator told him to stay in his car.

I'm thinking if George could go back in time he'd have stayed in the car.

rob666 · #**228** ● 07-13-2013, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by tootsieflowrslave ↗

One of my favorite quotes of all time: "Whoever controls the media, controls the mind."

I don't think the influence media has on culture can possibly be understated. These guys unfortunately are bankrupt of ethics and don't give a shit how much their flights of fancy have gated progress toward mitigating this mentality. I hate it just as much as you.

Good post.

They'll be all over the riots if he walks, that'll be great TV.

ArtOfLife · #**229** ● 07-13-2013, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

I'm thinking if George could go back in time he'd have stayed in the car.

I don't know... This is where I started to lose any kind of support I would have had for him. A NORMAL reaction to this event would be remorse. Even if you were FORCED to take a life, a normal mind feels remorse for it. Especially if you learned that who you killed was a COMPLETELY innocent kid. Even if you had to do it. When asked if he would change anything about that night, straight faced he said "No" and that it was "God's plan".

Really? You wouldn't change ANYTHING? Even knowing that it was in the end, a completely innocent kid that had nothing in his hands but candy and tea, was on the phone with a girl, and heading home? You really wouldn't stay in the car with hindsight like the operator/CCW training/NBW training instructed you as they knew how this would end if you got out?

Zambini · #**230** ● 07-13-2013, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by ArtOfLife ↗

I don't know... This is where I started to lose any kind of support I would have had for him. A NORMAL reaction to this event would be remorse. Even if you were FORCED to take a life, a normal mind feels remorse for it. Especially if you learned that who you killed was a COMPLETELY innocent kid. Even if you had to do it. When asked if he would change anything about that night, straight faced he said "No" and that it was "God's plan".

Really? You wouldn't change ANYTHING? Even knowing that it was in the end, a completely innocent kid that had nothing in his hands but candy and tea, was on the phone with a girl, and heading home? You really wouldn't stay in the car with hindsight like the operator/CCW training/NBW training instructed you as they knew how this would end if you got out?

Wow!, First time I've heard that, was it under oath in court?

Maybe his lawyers told him to say that, they often advise you to never admit any wrong doing or guilt, and showing remorse might be considered guilt.

I would like to believe he's sorry this ever happened, and out of the whole affair I hope both "sides" learn something from it, I know it really has reinforced my training to avoid confrontation AT ALL COSTS when carrying concealed.

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