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10-21-2017, 04:25 AM
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From that very article that you linked: "There are estimated to be as many guns in Australia now as there were at the time of the Port Arthur massacre -- though the level of gun violence is not comparable." Thanks for helping me prove my point, dumbass.   |
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#172
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10-21-2017, 04:29 AM
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The President is a figurehead. We are a nation of laws, not men; and the President doesn't pass legislation. I agree with the intuitive assumption that such "leaders" are to be taken as examples; but on the other hand, it's also 2017. If you still don't understand that prominence and power don't automatically make an example to follow, then you haven't been paying attention.  |
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#173
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10-21-2017, 04:36 AM
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Plus, we unfortunately have a political system that is dominated by the plutocratic oligarchs which head and fund our only 2 major political parties. We no longer vote so much *for* a candidate as much as we vote *against* one. The majority of U.S. citizens understand that neither candidate in any given Presidential race is particularly worth a fuck. But the loud ignorant partisan fringes without fail monopolize our national political process every single election cycle; so it comes down to American voters being herded into paddocks and being given -- at the last possible chance -- the choice between a slit throat or a captive bolt through the head. So don't judge us by our "elected leaders," and especially not our President. Hell, the popular vote isn't even *legally required* to elect a President; only the Electoral College vote is required. It's oligarchy on the grandest scale. Full disclosure: I've been drinking. |
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#174
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10-21-2017, 06:14 AM
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Good.... dont argue rowboat brain battleship mouth......both articles you link is not catogorised as a mass shooting resulting in death with 4 or 5 more.......thus ill say again.......there has been no mass shooting in Oz resulying in death since Port Arthur......
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#176
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10-21-2017, 01:45 PM
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You did, roughly a page ago. And that's just to re-iterate on your claims (as opposed to also refuting them -- because they *are* refutable). So maybe put down the pipe...? As for your claim that... ...you're wrong there too. In fact, using the 4 or more criteria, there have been a number of mass murders (shootings or otherwise) in Australia since Port Arthur. First off, Monash was a mass shooting. You can stand on technicalities there, but that just makes your position look more desperate and full of shit. 2 were killed and 5 were injured, which makes for a total of 7 victims. You don't just reclassify an incident simply because the assailant was a bad shot (and most tracking sources classify according to the number of victims overall regardless of whether or not those victims were killed or merely wounded). In terms of intent and execution, Monash was a mass shooting. Then there were the Hunt family murders in Sydney on 9/9/2014 (5 dead), and the Sydney siege on 12/16/2014, which itself *would have turned into a mass shooting had the police not killed the gunman after he executed a hostage (although oddly enough, the cops also accidentally killed 1 of the hostages and wounded 4 others, so the cops turned out to be the mass shooters there). But that's just mass *shootings.* Mass *murders* in Australia since Port Arthur include the Peter Shoobridge murder-suicide (6/28/1997, 5 dead); the Childers Palace hostel fire (6/23/2000, 15 dead); the Churchill fire (2/7/2009, 10 dead); the Lin family murders (7/18/2009, 5 dead); the Quakers Hill nursing home fire (11/18/2011, 11 dead); the Rozelle fire murders (11/4/2014; 3 dead, 2 wounded); the Cairns child murders (12/19/2014, 8 dead); and the Melbourne car attack (01/20/2017, 6 dead, 30 wounded). Those were the attacks I was alluding to in one of my previous comments. So really, your country shouldn't be so worried about guns, since actual mass *shootings* in Ozzieland seem to claim less lives than attacks utilizing other methods. But yeah, dude, the problem is clearly those evil evil inanimate guns. No one is arguing that Australia's murder rate and its rate of mass shootings are as high as those in the U.S. The reality there is that Australia's per capita murder rate is at about 0.96, whereas the U.S.'s is around 4.98. Same with gun violence specifically. So your country is commendable there. What I *am* arguing is that your sweeping statements here -- about your country as well as mine -- were quite simply wrong, because they were. My guess is that your understanding of the subject is similar to your stance thereon: Dictated by partisan talking points as opposed to actual facts. You also seem to not quite understand the nature of American gun owners or our rights as citizens or even how our country functions politically (as evidenced in your comment about the majority "rising up and disarming the cowboys," or whatever it is you said that I'm paraphrasing here), so you might want to refrain from speaking as if you do. Like C.E.R.T. said, stick to your own knitting. |
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#177
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10-21-2017, 04:03 PM
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Oh now we are attempting to muddy the waters with phycos in Oz by killing people on mass by fire ..... Come on stop the shit. My whole argument in this debate has been the availibility in the US of semi autos......we are not talking about cars here either. Below is another article on the subject. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...s-slashed-1996 At the end of the day we have totally different opinions on this subject. However what pisses me off with you and your ilk is you blatantly lie when it comes to murder in Oz using semi autos since the Port Arthur. .....anyway I would have liked to have asked you a number of questions regarding your views on the chances of your Fed Govt having a crack at banning and buying back semis off your citizens ( a huge task) and no doubt your opposition to it....but alas ..... Till the next mass shootings causing the death of 4/5 in the US using a semi auto ..... |
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10-22-2017, 03:34 PM
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And I've already told you: The availability of semi-automatic weapons has had literally no effect in Australia since Port Arthur *because the rate of firearms ownership in Australia is the same now as it was prior to Port Arthur.* So clearly, the problem isn't the guns themselves. I reiterate: Your stance is a partisan one, assumed beforehand and rationalized in retrospect, as opposed to being informed by facts and reality. Buy-back programs involve voluntary participation, which is a far cry from "the majority rising up and taking guns away from wannabe cowboys." It's also been tried countless times at the state level, with negligible effect. States are also free to pass their own restrictions on availability and ownership. The whole point is that the Feds cannot be trusted to regulate certain things because the Federal government is not as accessible and accountable to the people as state governments are. You yourself may have no problem with centralized absolute authority, but that's not how our country is set up. What works in one state may not work in another, and states allow citizens to vote on such measures (unlike our Federal Congress). Some of our biggest problems here in America right now are the result of the Feds shoring up too much power and overreaching their authority, so we'd be fools to hand them even more power. The last thing we need is our entire country going the route Chicago has gone. Also, I'm once again getting the impression that you don't know very much about firearms. You keep harping on about semi-automatic weapons in a manner which makes me question your understanding of that particular term. |
