Two Tourists Frozen to Death in Russia

Oonie · #31 ● 12-12-2023, 02:19 PM

I wonder how the guy with the blue & chartreuse is doing. He has some serious facial frostbite on his nose. One survivor of a group in the 1996 Everest disaster lost his nose, right arm left hand fingers and parts of his feet. I don't get why people have the need to climb (or snowmobile) somewhere so obviously dangers other than "Because it is there."

MikeyP · #32 ● 12-12-2023, 04:04 PM

In the end.... he had 2 options.... the tauntaun or the horse...

or

spycosis · #33 ● 12-12-2023, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by bigbear8 ↗

Not to belabor the point, but again, you likely have never been anywhere near this location, therefore you know nothing about what it takes to survive

I said they should have taken equipment with them. You seem to disagree with that and have tried to turn this into a debate about who has more experience of cold weather.

You are obviously deliberately looking for an argument or attention, or both. I mean are you seriously saying it would have been pointless to go fully equipped ? Yes, that is exactly what you're saying.

You don't know me but assume everything about me and you make some truly ridiculous points. If your quote were true that you have to go somewhere to know what it takes to survive there then nobody would have ever been on a spacewalk. Nobody would have ever reached the South Pole.

Explain why I was wrong to say they should have taken survival gear with them, and don't move the goalposts again like you did in your previous remark.

AngelAssassin · #34 ● 12-13-2023, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by bigbear8 ↗

The point is there is no “easily” surviving what they experienced in their situation. They didn’t expect to get stuck in the elements, which is why they lacked the equipment to live. They would have had to plan on staying out there beforehand to survive that weather for a night and that likely mean bringing much more equipment than one can carry on a snowmobile.

THIS is the point. Sure, it’s possible, but it would NOT be something done on a whim as your post seemed to imply.

Whether they were expecting to stay out overnight or not, the recommended plan is to bring that overnight back up stuff, just in case something happens, as it did for these people.
Shit happens. The prepared survive.

AngelAssassin · #35 ● 12-13-2023, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

Fair enough, I can see why you thought I was making light of the situation when I wrote, tents, barbecue and a jolly good knees up, but I am not completely stupid despite whatever impression I might have given you.

I know very well it would be a fucking nightmare out there at night, but I stand my ground on the point that a snowmobile is sufficient to carry enough survival equipment to make it through the night, and in such terrain I would not advise eating cold rations as these will by default absorb body heat which is somewhat counter-productive.

They needed the ability to make shelter, they needed more insulation (I noticed the dead man was wearing his helmet still which is less than ideal headgear and indicative of the lack of proper thermal headgear carried with them) They also needed fire of some sort and warm food and drinks.

Explorers and military personnel regularly survive in such extreme conditions as these with basic equipment that could fit onto a snowmobile. aside from that, anyone venturing into hostile terrain and conditions must have a survival backup plan for worst case scenarios.

I would not even go out into the Scottish mountains where I live without having at least a 24 hour survival plan and equipment, so I sure as fuck wouldn't be scooting around in Siberia with less of a backup plan than that. Many people have died when stranded only a few miles from shelter so you have to be prepared. It's a golden rule. They ignored that. That's why they are dead. Simple as that.

Same here. Mt Washington in NH has the highest recorded wind speed on earth. Even in summer, it is highly recommended that you pack what you would need if you get caught out in a snowstorm!!!
ANY time you are going away from civilization, into the wild, you would be very remiss to not bring overnight survival gear.

spycosis · #36 ● 12-13-2023, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by AngelAssassin ↗

Same here. Mt Washington in NH has the highest recorded wind speed on earth. Even in summer, it is highly recommended that you pack what you would need if you get caught out in a snowstorm!!!
ANY time you are going away from civilization, into the wild, you would be very remiss to not bring overnight survival gear.

Thanks for some sensible input on the topic. Be careful though, bigbear Grylls is active in this thread and he's been on 2 ski vacations so he knows everything about survival. He's been serving me huge slices of humble pie served with lashings of his extraordinary knowledge