[Krusen72]

Originally Posted by 0ryx ↗

Shot in the back while running away. That's murder.

Sure, let him go so he can kill someone later on. Nevermind the brandishing of a knife with intent to kill.

[Krusen72]

Originally Posted by likemhairy23 ↗

He was dealing with psychosis, skin and bones, few if any teeth in his mouth, looked sick. Yeah he was a real threat, huh? The thing that bothers me is in situations like this, cops never see (particularly)men of color as someone in need of help, just always an opportunity to shoot someone so they can play the hero. I'm glad the officer was charged, this was unneccessary

He charged the cops with a knife. Innocent people need help, too. Help from getting knifed by a totally irrational and violent person. Once again, lets not put any blame or responsibility on the criminal, lets blame society for his troubles and the cop for killing him just because he lunged at them with a knife. Whats the big deal, right? Happens all the time. He didnt mean it. Let him run away, he promises never to do it again and we can help him in between his assaults....

[Krusen72]

Originally Posted by manny2080 ↗

you really a fucking idiot aren't you?. The fucking old man was running away from the cops after he charged at the other cop which the other clipped him with three shot. Then old man ran away from the cops. And then he was not a threat anymore. But regardless he was shot from the back and killed. You stupid fuck.

Let him go so he can go do it again somewhere else? Maybe next time youre the victim and then you will piss and moan that cops dont do enough. Fuck that pos. He put himself in that position. He himself alone is at fault for his decisions in life including his death

[niknik]

Its those last two shots that are the problem. The first couple shots were justified.

It's that rush of adrenaline, and their training. Cops for decades have been trained to shoot to kill if it comes to them having to fire on a suspect.

They need to be retrained. Instead of shoot until the threat is down. They need to shoot until the threat isn't a threat. I bet that's what happened here, his training and instincts told him to put the suspect down.

20 years ago this would be a justified shooting. It's not really fair to Cops. As I said, they need to be retrained, instead of just changing the rules.

[Sturrminator]

Originally Posted by Martano666 ↗

I dont understand why the cop was charged. Im a liberal, but this guy had a knife, and ran at the officers. There are countless examples of cops brutaluzing innocent people and murdering unarmed people, but I do not think this situation falls in that category.
The cop did his job properly in my opinion.

You are an absolute idiot and part of the reason why America is a police state. Fuck you dumbass.

[bjol]

Shoot him in the back 3 times to finish him, later asks if hes "alright buddy?"

[herbertstencil]

Originally Posted by dilbertlooking ↗

Dumbest thing I heard all day. I've seen knife combats in my hood. Let's just say some is getting cut no matter what.

We can't help that our personal experience changes the way we process the video. No doubt, combat knife fights are serious and deadly.

This dumb dumb started approaching the officers with a knife in hand - good way to get shot the fuck up. To me, it seems what is at issue here is the fact that the man was shot in the back while moving away from the police. That's what changes things.

See Tennessee v. Garner, upheld by the Supreme court:

A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non-dangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.

If this goes to trial, I think the defendant's argument will center on whether this man's actions constitute probable cause to harm others.

It would be helpful to know why the other officers did not see it appropriate to use force until the first shots were fired.

He may have made a big dumb, but I think the carceral experience of black americans should be taken into account when handling situations like this. We're only ~4 generations past slavery, and ~2-3 past Jim Crow, so the experience of racialized violence is not a distant memory.

[herbertstencil]

Originally Posted by Krusen72 ↗

Once again, lets not put any blame or responsibility on the criminal, lets blame society for his troubles and the cop for killing him just because he lunged at them with a knife.

I would argue that it's just not a simple as this.

The DA's manslaughter charge was most likely not based on some made up liberal bullshit - that would put the trial in danger.

The DA and the police work together. They're part of the same state apparatus.

Whether or not this man was dangerous, from a legal perspective, it's still a bad look to shot someone in the back - even for the cops.

The fact is that police are taught to shoot to neutralize a threat. By your logic, it would see that both the man and the cop are subject to institutional factors that shaped their response to the situation.

So yes, blame society for that one cop's action. However, if you choose to go that route, you have to account for societal factors on both sides.

It's a cheap and thoughtless move to decontextualize the events that led to the man getting shot.

[Krusen72]

Originally Posted by herbertstencil ↗

I would argue that it's just not a simple as this.

The DA's manslaughter charge was most likely not based on some made up liberal bullshit - that would put the trial in danger.

The DA and the police work together. They're part of the same state apparatus.

Whether or not this man was dangerous, from a legal perspective, it's still a bad look to shot someone in the back - even for the cops.

The fact is that police are taught to shoot to neutralize a threat. By your logic, it would see that both the man and the cop are subject to institutional factors that shaped their response to the situation.

So yes, blame society for that one cop's action. However, if you choose to go that route, you have to account for societal factors on both sides.

It's a cheap and thoughtless move to decontextualize the events that led to the man getting shot.

The cop that shot Ma’Khia Bryant shot her in the back a split second before she stabbed another girl. Is that a bad look for the police?

This and all the other "White cop and black criminal" are totally politically motivated so I do not agree with you that this charge isn't "some made up liberal bullshit" especially when you have Lebron James making his dimwitted comments and the hags on The View saying things like, "shoot the gun in the air" which is illegal and oh by the way, that bullet comes down with the chance of hitting someone else. How about that for a decontexualized reaction?

Maxine Waters with her rhetoric during the Derek Chauvin trial was to be "more confrontational if they didn't get a guilty verdict which came close to causing a mistrial. So your theory about not putting the trial in danger is out the door.

Regardless of DA and police supposeably being on the same team, they do not always agree and we've seen this in many situations.

"subject to institutional factors that shaped their response to the situation." Another way of saying it's not their fault and placing the blame anywhere but on themselves and I call bullshit.

Homeless guy made a choice. Society didn't make him grab a knife and threaten people. You can call him mentally ill but that doesn't excuse the behavior and the bottom line was he was threatening people with a lethal weapon.

If you don't want to die, don't threaten to kill people, especially a cop. It really can't be more simple than that.

[Krusen72]

Originally Posted by herbertstencil ↗

He may have made a big dumb, but I think the carceral experience of black americans should be taken into account when handling situations like this. We're only ~4 generations past slavery, and ~2-3 past Jim Crow, so the experience of racialized violence is not a distant memory.

Making more excuses for black people committing crime. Slavery was 150 years ago. No one today owns slaves in America. Why do we keep going back to that? Jim Crow was 60 years ago and since that time we've created Afirmative Action, we have "black colleges", we have minority owned businesses getting a % of all government business they bid on and we celebrate George Floyd as a hero because he was wrongfully killed by a cop-ask the 13 year old he raped if he's a hero.