[duntez]

Idk where to post this, sorry mods, thought this would be the place.

Little featured film, based on a true story..

Thanks WonderMomma WhiskeyOutpost for your help adding subs

[WhiskeyOutpost]

So apparently Russians taped a mouse to a suicide drone and flew it into a Ukrainian position. I have the video or are people going to get all whiney over a mouse while we're posting dead human babies in the Israel/Palestine section

[xennex]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

So apparently Russians taped a mouse to a suicide drone and flew it into a Ukrainian position. I have the video or are people going to get all whiney over a mouse while we're posting dead human babies in the Israel/Palestine section

I personally don't want to see it, but just post with a disclaimer.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

So apparently Russians taped a mouse to a suicide drone and flew it into a Ukrainian position. I have the video or are people going to get all whiney over a mouse while we're posting dead human babies in the Israel/Palestine section

That sounds very Tom and Jerry. Lol

I was recently told that animals dying are still a no no but you could message KH or Hunted to ask.

If they say it’s ok, post it with a warning. I will probably whine about it but I’ll whine to myself.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Nah not doing it. It's on reddit and Telegram

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Is that a Polish license plate? It looks like a "p" or is it a Ukrainian license plate and it means something else in Ukraine?

Drag is def Mr Credible.

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I’m half Ukrainian, was born in Ukraine. So I know something about this conflict and about differences between Ukrainians due to their complicated history.
My mom, my uncle are still living in Krimea. My wife’s relatives live in Kremenchug. I know plenty of Ukrainians from both sides of this conflict. So when I say Pro NAZI or took power, I’m not a fantast, that’s my position as Ukrainian on what happened in Ukraine back in 2014.

We know & we also know that you're a staunch pro russian, happily posting your pro russia shit, but what gets me is, your happy that russia is committing acts of genocide against your own ppl, shelling civilian houses, towns, schools, hospitals, malls, train stations, kidnapping your children, destroying your landmarks, history, culture & everything else Ukrainian, steeling your land & erasing everything Ukrainian from the pages of history & here you are happily supporting russia with that shit when your Ukrainian yourself, WOW, your some kind of traitor to your people & family.

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

They took an oath to Hitler, they served in the Himmlers SS, they killed thousands innocent people. If you like them, you are pro NAZI.

So, by your own word, you are a pro nazi because you support the russians in this totally unnecessary invasion / war / smo that has killed thousands of innocent civilians.

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

- You do understand USSR, Stalin and so on is no more? Why so much hate towards Soviets when they all died by now?
Why this SS Galicia scumbag got so much "attention" from the Poland, Israel etc?

- I keep telling you who I call pro- NAZI in Ukraine. If you want to know about NAZIs you have a computer in front of you.

- Just basic slogans soldiers of UPA used to say back in a day " Put Russians on the knifes" " Hang Russians" ( Moskolyaku na gilyaku, Moskolyaku na nozhi) etc

- I think you are delusional to compare murderers and SS soldiers with fighters for the freedom. You dont understand the basics here. IDK how your Estonian SS vets did during WW2, but Ukranian have their hands in blood upuntill shoulder. Not only of Ukrainians who fought with allis against Hitler, but also Polaks, Jewish...etc. I advice you to read "Babij Yar" as well.
If killing civilians in thousands and fighting on the side of evil equals fighting for your freedom, than I assume you are supporting HAMAS. Cause thats pretty much what they are doing right?

- I agree that Stalin did a lot of bad things. So did Soviets.
Give me terrorist activity by any Soviet General and ill give you my answer. About flowers and fallen Russian soldiers comment was just retarded.

- Example about Germany and China is correct. Let me ask you, did you have to volunteer to join SS?

IDK if you remember( probably not, since you keep asking me the same stupid question), but about a year ago or so I told you, I get it with Estonia. I saw Estonian writer/journalist on Russian TV where he screamed his heart out against Russian propagandists about the tragedy of his people and I believed him. Answer me, did your Estonian SS battalions were EVER caught doing such a crazy, horrific and evil things what Ukranian Galicias and UPA were doing? if Not , then yes, I agree that they were in a survival mode and did everything to safe their life giving the circumstances. So if Soviets were attack by China as well and there were no US help, deff people would have to survive and live with it, and is some would volunteer to fight Germans and other fight Chinese, thats fine too...but it must be without committing ugly executions of women, elderly and kids like it was done by UA SS. I mean why should I even explain this. Thats the line for me.

But then again, if you were in survival mode and didn't want to do it, but had no choice, why celebrating it years later? Maybe, just maybe this fight for a freedom slogan was one of the ways to clean your reputation before others, who didn't serve an enemy. Im not stating that it is the fact, just throwing it out there as an idea.

Your delusional !

[RedactedKaos]

Wtf a mouse can't die on here lol I gotta find this video

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

...But then again, if you were in survival mode and didn't want to do it, but had no choice, why celebrate it years later? Maybe, just maybe this fight for a freedom slogan was one of the ways to clean your reputation before others, who didn't serve an enemy. I'm not stating that it is the fact, just throwing it out there as an idea...

I'm gonna let this conversation die, since its kind of pointless. You don't really get what im saying.

But then again, if you were in survival mode and didn't want to do it, but had no choice, why celebrate it years later?

Russia celebrates its war generals years later. It celebrates Stalin and Lenin. Why not clean their reputation before others?

Again, you start saying "well, that was different, Russia was fighting for itself" ... and no. It wasnt. Russia was doing more than 1 thing at a time. And that was my entire point.
Yes, Russia was fighting for itself in self-defence...BUT it also fought against other independent countries, like Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania etc. You do understand that from the point of view of those countries, Russians were terrorists, invaders, and criminals.

Am I correct when I say that by celebrating Russian war generals and putting flowers on Stalin's statue, Russians are celebrating mass deportations, executions, and all the murders committed in their gulags? Are they celebrating the execution of all the political opposition in their own country and all the neighboring countries, who wanted to be independent?

I have a hunch that you have no problem in saying that "Well, yeah, Russians did invade innocent countries and killed tons of civilians, and occupied its neighbors for half a century, but we don't celebrate that...we celebrate the part of the war in which we defended ourselves.

How can you not understand that this is what the other side is doing as well? Yes, there were local soldiers who fought on the German side, but that's not the part that is being honored and celebrated. What is being celebrated is the part where they fought for their own country.

If Ukrainians do praise their past for the aspects of "killing Jews and civilians" then sure, I agree. Thats a shitty thing to do. But I have a hunch that they don't. If the "nazis" took power in 2014, then surely there are lots of rallies, political speeches and so on, calling for the deaths of Jews and praising the killing of Jews in the past.

Here, I'd also mention that Ukraine wants to join EU and NATO. That was the whole point of Maidan revolution.
Now, joining EU and NATO would be the last thing nazist would do. EU represents everything that nazis hate.

[duntez]

I don’t remember Russians walking around their capitol with the photos of Stalin, Lenin, Zhukov, Rokossovskij or whoever and celebrating their Birthdays, like Ukrainians were doing with Bandera for example. I don’t remember them putting flowers to Stalin or Lenin ( maybe during Soviet Union, but Russian time, esp my generation, or the newer gens, pfff you kidding? All my Russian friends want that Lenin out of red square and be done with it). Also I don’t remember them celebrating occupation of Estonia, or any other occupation tbh. It’s like you drew this picture in you had that keeps you blind, idk. In the end of the day, former Soviet republics got their independence, how Elcin said “get as much freedom as you want” right? During my childhood, I thought that USSR was one big family, I’ve never met Estonians back than, maybe I wound found out earlier that all of you were occupied and slaughtered and what not. In my everyday life i dealt with Ukrainians, Russians, Krimean Tatars, Uzbeks and Kazakhs. And never have I heard about how Russias treat them like animals, kill them and so on, or occupation. I’m trying to say that we have never celebrated any occupation, but victory over Germany and those who fallen fighting them and in my childhood circle we were happy to be together and didn’t hate each other.
Soviets killed not only foreign civilians, but own people too, I don’t have a problem acknowledge it, but I chose to favor good over bad. Like I said ones, people still loving church and it’s not getting proper treatment for all the death and executions it brought to this world. I have a choice and my choice is to not recognize UPA and SS scum as a heroes. New Ukrainian officials chose IMO very bad path for its History. I think probably only, Baltic states support them, well because you support you own SS vets ( wonder if you Soviet Army vets get the same attention, they also didn’t have choice right? And also fought for their country?). Jews, Russia, Israel, Canada ( as we saw recently) and even Germany are disgusted by the fact that Ukraine phrasing the most notorious killers out there. Did you watch DW radio interview of Ukrainian representative of foreign affairs, they asked him why he put flowers onto Bandera grave and reply was - he’s our hero bla bla bla…. DW guy told him that when German army got Lvov, there were kind of postcard laying around the city, signed by Bandera and calling Uranians to kill Rus, Jews and Polaks ( I think 3 nationalities he said)….Ukrainian diplomat didn’t like the question. And guess what happened, Zelenskyy had to take him from his position, because he saw the worlds reaction ( well Baltic states probably were not happy ofc).

Anyway, we talk about this with you on and off for two years now man . I respect your position, I do and I’ll be honest, that I came to understanding your people better than it was before joining this site, we had long conversations with whiskey about that too. I’ll be glad if you respect my opinion, if not, well, I’m used to it being on pro west/anti-Russian forum. So I agree, let’s stop, it’s pointless. Agree to disagree