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It was a Russian missile that should have never been flying in Ukraine, let alone Poland, that Ukraine shot down with air defense. That's why it landed in Poland.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "pushed"? I was not there when they retreated from Kiev or when they retreated from Herson. My logic tells me that Putin's goal is to have buffer state, not necessarily put Russian flag in Kiev and say "This is Russia".

From what I've gathered it's about "denazification" (which kinda holds true, most of Ukrainian soldiers were always talking about Hitler and other nonsense (delirious thinking, cause now Hitler = good cause he attacked USSR (and with that Ukraine, it's stupid af)).

Kherson retreat was good maneuver.

I doubt Russia would ever retreat if they used their full force. And I'm not talking about the fact they are nuclear power, but just sheer numbers tells you if they really wanted Ukraine like some people think they do they would do it at any cost. There's around 30 million people in Russia capable now, to be mobilized and sent to Ukraine. Who will stop them? But Russia does not do that, cause that's obviously not their goal.

Russians took plenty of cities. 25% of Ukraine is firmly in Russian hands. It's even debatable if Putin wants to push more. He is the one trying to engage some sort of peace meeting but Zelinsky wants to free his country at all cost. So there cannot be peace sitdown.



I cannot say it's full, but it's far from what I already mentioned - what western media says. I didn't mention any expert drivers as we didn't face them in combat cause, again as I said I've just seen Russians show them off but not using them (probably cause they really do not want).

Who said Russians don't lose troops? I mention cadavers from both sides. My intention was just to warn you how much they lie to you. Personally from what I've seen it's usually 4-1 ration in favor of Russians in infantry combat.

Russia conscripts men because this could spill into WW3. In my opinion they are the option for most benign number of conscripts. Conscript's used for defensive war? I agree. Russians want to keep their positions, but also how was it called when Austro-Hungaria attacked Serbia? Conscription. From what Ukrainians told me they don't even know the number the waves of conscription they did as there were so already many of them. Guy who was point man in our group was 62 years old.

No offense but you get very, very little actual info and even though this is very explicit area of Internet I see "Slava Ukraini" is pushed heavily here so no wonder. Choosing teams always makes you blind. I can give you Russian telegram links and you will see Ukrainians blowing every half an hour.

By frontlines you mean the maps? Man, even pro-western maps (which are highly ridiculous with their updates) are showing you what's happening.

You know what's the fucked up part? Innocent and those who cannot defend themselves will die. Russian can devastate Bakhmut but they are trying to win it over without killing civilians that Zelinsky do not want to evacuate.

What I must commend them, even though I was on the other side is that they are way more considerate. Also had western guys in my company, laughing, spending ammo for nothing (they are 99% sure house is clean but they must obey "the protocol" and use flash and grenade and exchange 100 information before doing next move).

What is scary about Russians, at least for me is how good are they into luring you into seemingly clear paths but it's an ambush.

And with all that "protocol" things, we were always disorganized. Not because of language but because ... I don't know ... it seemed to me that Russians always waged a war and we were there "protecting and doing" something but never exactly sure what, where and why.

Like our superiors never had exact order, it was always dubious. Almost like I'm not in army but in a paintball team that has some fictional idea that some superweapon will kill Russians. Most of guys were showing off their tech and talked about it how good it is and then someone gets hit by Mosin Nagant.

Most of the battles felt like Russians begged us to put our guns down so we don't need to kill each other. Literally. For example: I was observing BMP that is around 50 meters from our guys just running trying to get to cover and BMP started to shoot in air. Not in them but in air. He could have easily kill them.

I don't know what happened next cause we felt they are surrounding us (which was in the end true, cause one of their diversion groups hit a mine and we heard it).
No offense my guy but this is the internet, any dweeb can come on here type out a few paragraphs saying that they were there. I don’t believe you were there quite frankly. Also you’re almost word for word regurgitating 100% Russian propaganda with a slight twist to fit your own narrative.
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these guys who delusionally support current ukraine regime would believe only what pro-western media serve them no objective thinking
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these guys who delusionally support current ukraine regime would believe only what pro-western media serve them no objective thinking
Just reverse what you said and apply it to yourself.
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread IV

Well it is what it is.

On another note; about a week left before Bakhmut is taken completely, called it last week when I said “2 weeks at most”
Today or yesterday Zelensky said they will not have all their troops over there killed, so a retreat is likely
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these guys who delusionally support current ukraine regime would believe only what pro-western media serve them no objective thinking
Lol weird because you pro Russians swallow RT like it’s the only news outlet. Also you only reside in Pro Russian telegram and Twitter accounts.
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I was not here for more then year. Guess what? Cause I was on the frontlines. For money. Didn't take video except pictures.

If you want to know pure reality of things (objective I really don't give a damn who wins, I went because wanted to be in combat).

Russia is definitely winning, all those numbers of their "dead" soldiers are fiction and no, western weapons are not superiror. I won't go into details how much I earned, names of people involved, and locations but you got to know. Be it pro-Ukrainian or pro-Russian just to let you know Ukraine is losing badly and very much everyone left the country except people willing to fight, violently conscripted people and those who just want to greet the Russians or are old/willing to die in their homes or just surrender.

All this crap about Russians not being equipped is sickening. One of soldiers that was brought up for corpse exchange showed me how good Russian soldier is equipped but they don't flex their equipment. A lot of propaganda also, they asked us to pose with Ukrainians that are supposedly "captured Russians".

In almost every Russian journal we would find information about their morale and how it will maybe be needed to use not 5% of RF army then like 20% so this is finished faster.

I guess Russians are trying to save buildings cause really I've seen 0 targets that were aimed at unless we hid in it. And you need to hide cause they are not shelling us with "20 shells a day" as western media portrays. Third day I was there we counted at least 300 shells with around 70% accuracy.

HIMMARS is used but only few of them, Ukrainians don't know it but some people did.

This is the state of "better" fighters in Ukraine. It's cringy and sad (no medics around, leaving him like a dog, trying to breach some stupid fence that could be kicked with hand granade, no meds, "Nissan" car left to get shot down, total chaos).

From what I've gathered, even though western media is making everything totally seem different they mix a bit of truth here and there. Human waves are Russian thing, but it's no where meat grinder. They just overpower your lines and are skilled.

It's easy to think Ukraine is doing something if you only watch some of their successes. But believe me, for most of videos of their success after that they get killed.

Food is dealt very rationale. Medic's lack basic stuff like painkillers even tough supposedly we got so much money but someone is either taking that money or I dunno, dog eat it.

All in all, don't think you are protecting free world or civilization from Russians. Ukraine exists because of USSR, their first recognized territory was called Kyev Rus', it's basically a cradle of Russia and most people didn't want this but now they need to survive. And in these kind of moments you start to hate the enemy even if they are right and your people basically.

Also it's a lie T-90S is "small in number", by observing Russian positions we could see shitload of them but they just don't use it. It's almost like they want to say "surrender already!". Also whoever thinks Abrams or Leopard will just wipe out this type of tank by some divine Rambo type of miracle was never in war and knows shit about anti-tank and tank-to tank warfare. That tank is really good, dangerous and made for fighting on terrain that mostly suits Russian territory.

And Katyusha is still operational. They still use it and it killed a lot of Ukrainians. They don't dig fox holes, only crouch not lie down and there are so much of these projectiles you can just hope for the best.

What else ... only think we felt was Ukraine has this "hope" sanctions will do something to Russia until everyone acknowledged that Russians will attack and defend for their "Mother Russia" even if they ate stones.

Take it how you want it but that's how it is.
How much did it pay btw and did your country of residence arrange for it?

Around march I prank-contacted my own government

It went something like this (paraphrased)

“Hello I want to fight in Ukraine to help The Cause
-well we won’t stop you and it is legal by this and that law

Okay great so I can also handle weapons and such?
-yes as long as our country is not officially at war then it is allowed

Good, and I can also come back home afterwards?
-for sure, you get to keep your passport so no worries

Even if I kill the enemy?
-if it comes to that it makes no difference, you can still return

And what if I kill, like 30 Ukrainians can I still return
-yes, the number doesn’t, wait, hold up, why would you want to do that???

You said it was cool if I go there and kill the enemy did you not?
-no no no stop you cannot go there Ukraine is not the enemy you cannot go there
I then began quoting some Der Spiegel articles saying how there are nazis and whatever in Ukraine and how they were marching in support of the Holocaust more or less, and explaining how my family is Jewish and the woman became really desperate saying Ukraine if our friend and she thought I was going to help Ukraine and that the newspapers are often wrong and so forth
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