[V87Beast]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

What you see here is Magyar cnut using what is suspected to be cyanogen chloride on Z soldier.
The chemical component was dropped on him while he was on the land and he jumped into the water to wash it away which is why he is in the freezing water to begin with. That is when you see his colleague trying to lead him out of the water but for some reason wasn't able to and that's when we see these events.

This is some new level of conspiracy

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

Source for the proof? I don't get it. What do you want? Autopsy report? That up there is from an unofficial statement of his comrade who was trying to get him out of the water. But don't you worry, an official investigation is underway and everything will be documented and available as soon as possible. And when it does become available, you'll be first to see it.

The problem here drag is that you just throw dubious "evidence" and propaganda around with zero responsibility and treat it as if it's fact. And when people disagree you just arrogantly laugh-emoji it off to deflect criticism. This is why people beat up on you in here. That and you laugh when "Ukies" get killed and in the next breath accuse others of the same when Russians are killed.

[ljubodrag]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

The problem here drag is that you just throw dubious "evidence" and propaganda around with zero responsibility and treat it as if it's fact. And when people disagree you just arrogantly laugh-emoji it off to deflect criticism. This is why people beat up on you in here. That and you laugh when "Ukies" get killed and in the next breath accuse others of the same when Russians are killed.

You forgot to add with chemical weapons. When Russians are killed with chemical weapons. Or when they have been executed in cold blood after they have surrendered themselves.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

The problem here drag is that you just throw dubious "evidence" and propaganda around with zero responsibility and treat it as if it's fact. And when people disagree you just arrogantly laugh-emoji it off to deflect criticism. This is why people beat up on you in here. That and you laugh when "Ukies" get killed and in the next breath accuse others of the same when Russians are killed.

"...unofficial statement of his comrade..."
Yes...start with that. The very least, include a statement from his comrade. As far as we know( i know ) his comrade may be dead alongside with that guy and there is no statement, just some tick-tockers´ opinion based on the same video we saw.

For me, it seems quite clear that the guy takes a shrapnel through his head/neck. You can see its trajectory going right under his head and hitting the bank of that stream further down.

Damage to the spine/brain would cause you to flop around like that. You can also see from the smoke that there is quite significant wind, and it would blow away chemicals. Also, chemical attacks at such a small scale are a lot less effective than using the regular VOG's. There is nothing to be gained from using chem-grenades. Out in the open like that, their lethal range is probably less than what a regular grenade has.
Also, the way those weapons are handled doesn't suggest that they are chemical weapons. You wouldn't put makeshift containers with volatile chemicals into an unventilated room with yourself and your team.

[ljubodrag]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Damage to the spine/brain would cause you to flop around like that. You can also see from the smoke that there is quite significant wind, and it would blow away chemicals. Also, chemical attacks at such a small scale are a lot less effective than using the regular VOG's. There is nothing to be gained from using chem-grenades. Out in the open like that, their lethal range is probably less than what a regular grenade has.
Also, the way those weapons are handled doesn't suggest that they are chemical weapons. You wouldn't put makeshift containers with volatile chemicals into an unventilated room with yourself and your team.

Well, forgive me Dr Scorpio for... well, I don't know what is your problem with me and I don't really care. I did not know you are efing Neurosurgeon, and by the looks of it, you also have PhD in Chemistry and Meteorology and Military Strategy and in the who tf knows what else.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

You forgot to add with chemical weapons. When Russians are killed with chemical weapons. Or when they have been executed in cold blood after they have surrendered themselves.

Once your read something in your Z echo chamber you just can't let it go can you... why the hell would you bother with chemical weapons that might not even be lethal when you can just drop a cheap VOG grenade with a 3D printed tail that will kill easily.

If you're Ukraine and use chemical weapons, and it gets out, and there's actual proof not dreamed up in some Rus vatnik's Telegram channel, the international community will not like it one bit and may stop sending Ukraine aid. That's a fatal mistake they can't afford to make. It makes no sense and will only hurt them.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

Well, forgive me Dr Scorpio for... well, I don't know what is your problem with me and I don't really care. I did not know you are efing Neurosurgeon, and by the looks of it, you also have PhD in Chemistry and Meteorology and Military Strategy and in the who tf knows what else.

You don't need to be a neurosurgeon to recognize that a guy flopping around in water may have a significant head/spine injury. You're just salty that you're getting stomped in here.

[jkesil]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

What you see here is Magyar cnut using what is suspected to be cyanogen chloride on Z soldier.
The chemical component was dropped on him while he was on the land and he jumped into the water to wash it away which is why he is in the freezing water to begin with. That is when you see his colleague trying to lead him out of the water but for some reason wasn't able to and that's when we see these events.

Yo, tell us. What do others around you say about this 'special operation'? What did you all expect?

[ljubodrag]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Once your read something in your Z echo chamber you just can't let it go can you... why the hell would you bother with chemical weapons that might not even be lethal when you can just drop a cheap VOG grenade with a 3D printed tail that will kill easily.

If you're Ukraine and use chemical weapons, and it gets out, and there's actual proof not dreamed up in some Rus vatnik's Telegram channel, the international community will not like it one bit and may stop sending Ukraine aid. That's a fatal mistake they can't afford to make. It makes no sense and will only hurt them.

Omfg, you're unbelievable. I give up.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

Well, forgive me Dr Scorpio for... well, I don't know what is your problem with me and I don't really care. I did not know you are efing Neurosurgeon, and by the looks of it, you also have PhD in Chemistry and Meteorology and Military Strategy and in the who tf knows what else.

Why would you think i have a problem with you...or that im a neurosurgeon, or a chemist?

Your reply was so unhinged that i don't really even understand it.
My best guess is that you simply don't understand the basics of reasoning and argumentation.
If i remember correctly, you identified yourself as severely religious, which would also mean you lack basic critical skills. I don't.
Asking questions, looking at the evidence, and providing reasons is completely normal for everybody else. What I did in my post is basic reasoning. You should try it.

I know a thing or two about chemical weapons.
I know a thing or two about brains and neural nets.
I know a thing or two about injuries to the brain/spine( learned quite a lot from this forum actually ). You can see normal vog grenades having a similar effect on the enemy. They fall down, roll around, try to wave their broken arms and legs.
and so on.
You don't need to be an expert to use critical thinking skills.

Chemical weapons are ineffective in most situations. Their use must be carefully planned to make them useful( i.e attacking in closed spaces, low grounds/trenches when the weather is just right etc ).
Even a slight wind is enough to render them completely useless by carrying away the toxin.
Small chem bombs like that are just massively more trouble than they could ever be worth. Storing and making the chems would probably kill more of your own than the enemy, not to mention the potential international fallout once caught.

Minor claims require minor evidence...extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You made quite a huge claim about using chem weapons. Your expectation of people simply believing you because you said so is ...strange. Of course, people ask for citations, sources and evidence.

I added some images to highlight the fragment trajectory. Go and check the video in slow mo yourself. Its quite clear.