[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

Lol. I ain’t taking any sides at all. I’m here for the discussion. But I do see a clear side for the SU and NATO. But. Seems to me even if (RaNer) you fight for the Ukraine. As a soldier or merc. If you ain’t liked or in agreement then yep you are suddenly a troll and off you over to the the Russian side.

That’s a bit fucked up.

I get everyone likes to give Faust and jululib. And basically anyone that is firmly down on the Russian side Some stick. And quite rightly they are able give it back which is fab. But it starts to get a bit dangerous when you start weeding out your own side,seeing as clearly there is two sides here and segregating them.

I don't think that's at all what's going on here. A large over simplification.

He IMO did not fight for Ukraine so the idea that pro Ukr people here "hunt their own" is erroneous. Like no one believes him. The things he says are sketchy and he offers no proof of his claims. Even if he wasn't saying pro Rus stuff I'd be extremely skeptical, still.

He does not talk like someone who has been in war. Or possibly even served in any capacity. Those who do don't act or talk like he does.

The main reason he seems to get a lot of resistance is the whole "I know everything and you're wrong please pay attention to me" attitude. There is something very off about it and I'm sure he's thoroughly enjoying the attention.

Ljubodrag and Faust are not able to "give it back". The first chooses not to get into discussion at all outside single sentences and the second is just a projecting troll who desperately wants people to think he's smart.

Probably the only pro Rus on here who is reasonable, not toxic, not full of himself and able to have a conversation was duntez. And he's gone. I never had any real problem with him.

Edit: Boneface did fight in Ukraine, offered proof here on DR and to me privately. He was definitely over there. But even that didn't stop several people from gunning for him, from both sides. But at least he didn't act like a douche and is a super nice guy. If RaNer wants to change his tone and offer proof, I'm all ears.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I don't think that's at all what's going on here. A large over simplification.

He IMO did not fight for Ukraine so the idea that pro Ukr people here "hunt their own" is erroneous. Like no one believes him. The things he says are sketchy and he offers no proof of his claims. Even if he wasn't saying pro Rus stuff I'd be extremely skeptical, still.

He does not talk like someone who has been in war. Or possibly even served in any capacity. Those who do don't act or talk like he does.

The main reason he seems to get a lot of resistance is the whole "I know everything and you're wrong please pay attention to me" attitude. There is something very off about it and I'm sure he's thoroughly enjoying the attention.

Ljubodrag and Faust are not able to "give it back". The first chooses not to get into discussion at all outside single sentences and the second is just a projecting troll who desperately wants people to think he's smart.

Probably the only pro Rus on here who is reasonable, not toxic, not full of himself and able to have a conversation was duntez. And he's gone. I never had any real problem with him.

Edit: Boneface did fight in Ukraine, offered proof here on DR and to me privately. He was definitely over there. But even that didn't stop several people from gunning for him, from both sides. But at least he didn't act like a douche and is a super nice guy. If RaNer wants to change his tone and offer proof, I'm all ears.

The problem here is that even if he served in the Ukrainian army...it would still mean almost nothing. The perspective that 1 guy sees on a frontline spanning 1000km is tiny. How the army is doing depends a lot on where you serve, who is your supperior, who trained them and who they are fighting against. If he did serve, then his experience serves as a tiny data point...a pixel that is part of a large picture.
The same applies for Russian side. If a russian soldier says that he personally served on the front line and its all a lie, that they have no equipment and suffer under ammo shortage, then it doesnt mean that he is wrong...or that Russian army isnt suffering under ammo and equipment shortages.
You can have 1 segment of the front line that is well equipped, and another one elsewhere, that is completely under equipped.
Only generals/majors/ who see the battlefield on a large scale can give accurate assesments of who has good equipment, who is highly motivated, who has ammo shortages etc.

Single soldier doesnt see much. Most of the time they just sit in a trench. In fact, someone who isnt serving in the army as a foot soldier may have better overview of the battlefield than the soldier who serves there...because low-ranking privates arent really given good wifi/internet access, and they tend to be cut off from the bigger picture.

So, you can see Russian soldiers that claim "we are advancing at a rapid speed" while the army is actually retreating on a larger scale.

[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I don't think that's at all what's going on here. A large over simplification.

He IMO did not fight for Ukraine so the idea that pro Ukr people here "hunt their own" is erroneous. Like no one believes him. The things he says are sketchy and he offers no proof of his claims. Even if he wasn't saying pro Rus stuff I'd be extremely skeptical, still.

He does not talk like someone who has been in war. Or possibly even served in any capacity. Those who do don't act or talk like he does.

The main reason he seems to get a lot of resistance is the whole "I know everything and you're wrong please pay attention to me" attitude. There is something very off about it and I'm sure he's thoroughly enjoying the attention.

Ljubodrag and Faust are not able to "give it back". The first chooses not to get into discussion at all outside single sentences and the second is just a projecting troll who desperately wants people to think he's smart.

Probably the only pro Rus on here who is reasonable, not toxic, not full of himself and able to have a conversation was duntez. And he's gone. I never had any real problem with him.

Edit: Boneface did fight in Ukraine, offered proof here on DR and to me privately. He was definitely over there. But even that didn't stop several people from gunning for him, from both sides. But at least he didn't act like a douche and is a super nice guy. If RaNer wants to change his tone and offer proof, I'm all ears.

What happened to duntez? I agree. He did post rational pieces of information from the Russian side.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by AnonX93 ↗

What happened to duntez? I agree. He did post rational pieces of information from the Russian side.

Didn't he have child or something?
I guess if you have an infant to take care of, then doc reality becomes a secondary interest.

[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Didn't he have child or something?
I guess if you have an infant to take care of, then doc reality becomes a secondary interest.

Gotcha gotcha.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by AnonX93 ↗

What happened to duntez? I agree. He did post rational pieces of information from the Russian side.

He has a son who recently turned a year old. Duntez gets busy with life and ducks in and out from what I've seen. I'm sure he'll pop in soon. I'm sure he's just busy.

[Rikbikboo]

It is all second rate bulshit though isn’t it

Let’s have some example.

Iraq. Invaded the place twice. Liked saddam killed a million innocents, installed a puppet government. Then fucked off having achieved nothing

Russia. Minded their own business

Libya. First, kissed gaddaffis ass. Then set him up watched him liked off fucked off again and left the country in chaos having once had extremely high standards of living in its region.

Tried it in Syria. Encouraged rose poor ppl to rise up. Let them beg for help on tv infront of billions. Did all that big talk about if they use chemical weapons.
Russia steps in for the first time ever. We are told they use chemical weapons (Syrians). A supposed red line. They do nothing. Then leave once again causing nothing but misery. Three times in recent years. We will not forget the various African all escapades I couldn’t name any.

North Korea. West gives it the large but shuts itself when confronted with a man that probably woudnt hesistate to use his nukes if invaded. Bit to mention the fact the Chinese wouldn’t have it. And it’s pretty easy to see that really China is up and coming so they are not to be fucked with either.

Now to Ukraine not a nato country. But on the edge of Europe. And purely because they are next door to Russia and Europe USA and nato suddenly want to play the big daddy.

Perhaps. Just perhaps they should have just minded their own shit for once and all this would have been over months ago.

But they won’t do that because they have to be the big I am and the “world leader/superpower and if we say no then it’s no.

This is the problem isn’t it. And what will cause the final war. Same as when Taiwan finally kicks off. It will be interesting to see that play out. The Us pacific fleet wasted. And then licking their wounds. When does it stop.

Why is it ok for nato and the west to go around invading at will. But if anyone else does it. It’s wrong
Double standards. And bullshit.

In my lifetime world population has doubled.

We still have people starving and dieing of basic curable disease. If all that money that was spent on war was diverted to better things the world would be a better place.

I’m not saying let them get on with it. Someone has to make a stand. But for fuck sake it’s hypocrisy at its finest.

[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

A bunch of stupid bullshit that nobody is going to read.

Nobody reading that bullshit. Of course its hypocrisy. That is how the world works. Russia (as well as China) is in competition with the United States...Yes, we want a NATO member on their front door... What Russia is doing is much worse though. They are forcibly trying to take land and illegally annex it into the country much like Hitler invading an annexing countries in Europe in WWII.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

- Madyar interview about what his air reconnaissance unit does. English subs.

I'm kind of fascinated on how small scale drones have become such a new and innovative part of warfare in this conflict. This is fairly unique to this war isn't it?

I know larger drones were used in other conflicts like Iraq... but I don't think smaller drones were used that much, if at all?

I'm curious to hear how different things would have been if you guys had drone units in Iraq/Afghanistan like UA does now? I really see this as a fairly drastic innovation in modern warfare.

[Rikbikboo]

Originally Posted by AnonX93 ↗

Nobody reading that bullshit. Of course its hypocrisy. That is how the world works. Russia (as well as China) is in competition with the United States...Yes, we want a NATO member on their front door... What Russia is doing is much worse though. They are forcibly trying to take land and illegally annex it into the country much like Hitler invading an annexing countries in Europe in WWII.

I get that. But…

It’s only been it’s own country since ‘91. Prior to that it was actually part of Russia wasn’t it.