[WonderMomma]

None of this shit would be happening if Russia didn’t invade and try to steal territory that doesn’t belong to them. No one else created this shit show along with all the repercussions but Russia. Not Europe, not Ukraine, not the US. Russia. Period.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Sorry Faust, had a good laugh at your salty cancer-causing arguments.

I'm glad you're back, couldn't have asked for a better time. Enjoy

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

The fact you would classify my perspective as ‘minority opinions’ (even though this perspective is shared by presidential candidates, political activists, academics, veterans, even the pentagon, and so on), and in other threads even attacking people sharing that perspective is what creates and reinforces a pro-war echo chamber.

Appeal to authority, logical fallacy. All you just described is that there are some useful idiots in the west that aren't thinking.

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Think about it; most (if not all) of you guys believe the pentagon leaks are fake because they directly contradict nearly everything you have been saying to each other since basically the start of the conflict.

I don't think the leaks are fake (minus one particular screenshot which was 100% photoshopped) and you just made that up. They also do not contradict much of anything, it's just analysis of conditions and placing them on paper which the Russians would already have. Fortunately these leaks seemed to be low level and only used for planning. If you're curious, ask people if they think about them, which you didn't do. Stop assuming things to fit whatever argument you're trying to make You have a well established reputation for this.

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

“willfully dishonest, lazy, delusional”.

This encapsulates you. Your attention seeking behavior is cringe as hell

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I don't think the leaks are fake (minus one particular screenshot which was 100% photoshopped) and you just made that up. They also do not contradict much of anything, it's just analysis of conditions and placing them on paper which the Russians would already have. Fortunately these leaks seemed to be low level and only used for planning. If you're curious, ask people if they think about them, which you didn't do. Stop assuming things to fit whatever argument you're trying to make You have a well established reputation for this.

Agree, well said.

I, too, never thought they were fake but there were versions of the real leaked documents that were doctored. I posted a lot about them, although I made the personal decision not to post ANY of the leaked documents for obvious reasons. This is why I didn't answer any questions about the leaks because it has all been discussed here already. All one needs to do is use the search function.

But allow me to anyone who may have missed it :
Starts here: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7890623 (continues for several posts after)
Bellingcat report: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7893722
News about a White House briefing: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7895322
Suspect arrested: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7895541
What's known about the suspect: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7895591

Other related links:
https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7896537
https://www.documentingreality.com/f...4/#post7901659

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Again, merely responding to kellyhound on how Kennedy might have gotten his numbers.
I know you created a little echo chamber in the discussion thread where you all reinforce pro-Ukraine narratives, which is fine, but what you are doing now is bringing the discussion to other threads.
You know you are so right on any of this, whereas I am too stupid to understand anything, like the numbers claimed by the pentagon (which to me you appear to be doing some form of damage control over with your Vietnam statements) so why bother?

Maybe it is a good idea to have an anti war protest thread as well so that you don’t have to see videos of people protesting the continuation/ escalation of the war? That way you can ban me from this current thread and have an echo chamber here as well.

Your so fucken deluded !

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I even might soon be assisting in the transport of Ukrainian refugees to Western Europe.

What a laughable attempt to earn some brownie points from a full on pro ruskie who is now peddling backwards like the RAF because he realizes that his 3 day invasion is at an end.

Nice try, BUT we know you & your kind Faust & all the bullshit you have spewed out over the last year & a bit & it won't be forgotten.

[WonderMomma]

Yesterday, 13 May, in Moscow, a 5-star Intercontinental hotel caught on fire. TASS reports it was a construction site near the hotel. I haven't been able to verify if it was the hotel or just a construction site. The building on fire in the first video doesn't look like its under construction.

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Ukrainian refugees will not be good for the economy. Which is fine with me.

As Russian forces pounded Mariupol with heavy artillery, reducing the city to rubble, Anastasia fled the Ukrainian city with her son to the only destination it seemed possible to reach: Russia.

With little money and few possessions in hand, she looked forward to receiving the 10,000-ruble ($185) payment Russian President Vladimir Putin had promised Ukrainian refugees even before he launched a large-scale invasion of the country on February 24.

The money would help her cover their basic needs for a short period of time while she and her son hunkered down in St. Petersburg, waiting for the war to end. Three months after arriving there, she has yet to receive the payment.

Workers at the local government center handling such issues “said they didn’t know anything,” said Anastasia. Like other refugees RFE/RL spoke to for this story, she did not want her last name published for fear of repercussions.

“[They said], wait, at some point they will give it to you,” she said.

Anastasia is by no means alone in her complaint.

Svetlana Tikhomirova, a St. Petersburg journalist who volunteers to help Ukrainian refugees, said recently that about 90 percent of those who have arrived in the Leningrad region -- which surrounds the city of St. Petersburg but does not include it -- have yet to receive their promised payment.

In a letter addressed to Putin in mid-June and published on social media, Tikhomirova said Ukrainian refugees in Russia are caught in a vicious cycle.

Without the payment, many don’t have enough money to pay for services -- such as document translations -- critical for receiving a Russian passport and employment.

Not long ago, the economist Marcel Fratzscher described the integration of Ukrainian refugees in Germany as an "extraordinary and impressive success story."

Germany, Fratzscher says, has learned from mistakes made in the past and given the refugees a real opportunity to integrate, in contrast to how the country dealt with the wave of refugees that arrived in 2015 and 2016.

The loss of these people may be extremely painful for Ukraine, the economist says, "but they are extremely beneficial to Germany, also from an economic perspective."

That's one side of the story. But how do the refugees themselves see their situation?

Around 17.5 million Ukrainians have left their country since the beginning of the war, with more than a million of them ending up in Germany. Some 80 percent of the adults are women. Just a few weeks after the beginning of the war, DER SPIEGEL spoke with some of them and collected their stories.

Now, close to a year after they fled their home country, we reestablished contact with a number of these women to find out how they are faring, how they see their futures and what has changed for them now that it has become clear that the war won’t be ending anytime soon.

Numbers from a recent survey carried out by the German Institute for Economic Research show that 17 percent of the refugees are gainfully employed, half of them have attended language courses and a quarter are interested in remaining in Germany for the long term.

In more than 90 percent of families in Germany with school-age children, at least one child is attending school. Close to 60 percent of children not yet old enough to attend school have found a spot in a daycare institution.

Almost three-quarters of those surveyed live in private apartments and homes, with just 9 percent living in community shelters.

Volunteers join Lena for her appointments with various agencies and for her doctor visits, others have donated furniture and clothing – and have become friends. "We are extremely grateful," Lena says. Every few minutes during the conversation, she expresses her gratitude for something or another, or simply for everything.

An energetic, sincere woman, Lena speaks decent English, mixing in a bit of German now and then, but when questions go beyond her daily life, she turns to a translation app on her mobile phone to help out. "We want to be good," it says on the screen after she finishes a long sentence in Ukrainian.

It can’t be correct, so she tries again. "We want to be useful for Germany and for ourselves." She says she wants to learn the language, earn money and pay taxes. She wants to be part of society and to give back as soon as she is able.

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Yesterday, 13 May, in Moscow, a 5-star Intercontinental hotel caught on fire. TASS reports it was a construction site near the hotel. I haven't been able to verify if it was the hotel or just a construction site. The building on fire in the first video doesn't look like its under construction.

Must have been on a smoko break !

[Faust]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Agree, well said.

I, too, never thought they were fake but there were versions of the real leaked documents that were doctored. I posted a lot about them, although I made the personal decision not to post ANY of the leaked documents for obvious reasons. This is why I didn't answer any questions about the leaks because it has all been discussed here already. All one needs to do is use the search function.

But allow me to anyone who may have missed it :
Starts here: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7890623 (continues for several posts after)
Bellingcat report: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7893722
News about a White House briefing: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7895322
Suspect arrested: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7895541
What's known about the suspect: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7895591

Other related links:
https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7896537
https://www.documentingreality.com/f...4/#post7901659

Thanks for composing that list, but I cannot read them (I wanted to though).
Would you say the pentagon papers have been in line with what I have been saying from the start?

That doesn’t mean that I am some master strategist with inside information, it merely means (*to me )that the media of my choosing appears to lie less compared to the media in which other people place there trust.
It could have been the other way around just as easily, nothing to do with being dumb or smart, although it personally for me would be dumb to trust media if it often turns out to be mere propaganda. I am not saying other people are dumb if they continue to place trust in basically Ukraine government propaganda channels.
With the ISW “Bakhmut has no importance at all”-angle, I assumed it would be surrendered in weeks as I view ISW as UKR damage control and it is my opinion that ISW created the scenario where people would immediately dismiss the pentagon information as fake.

As for the pentagon papers; the Washington post interviewed zelensky on them. ‘My media’ pointed out that the WP deleted parts of their own interview transcript:

Here is the original:

https://archive.is/2023.05.13-194904...47.0-2417.1694

“Q: The documents indicate that HUR, your intelligence directorate, has back-channel contact with Yevgeniy Prigozhin that you were aware of, including meeting with Yevgeniy Prigozhin and HUR officers. Is that true?

A: This is a matter of [military] intelligence. Do you want me to be convicted of state treason? And so, it’s very interesting, if someone is saying that you have documents, or if someone from our government is speaking about the activities of our intelligence, I would also like to ask you a question: With which sources from Ukraine do you have contact? Who is talking about the activities of our intelligence? Because this is the most severe felony in our country. Which Ukrainians are you talking to?

Q: I talked to officials in government, but these documents are not from Ukraine, they are from …

A: It doesn’t matter where the documents are from. The question is with which Ukrainian official did you talk? Because if they say something about our intelligence, that’s treason. If they say something about a specific offensive plan of one general or another, this is also treason. That’s why I asked you, which Ukrainians are you talking to?

Q: About these specific documents? You are the first person I am talking to about them.

A: Okay.

Q: And I can read you what information exactly there is about Prigozhin and the GUR. On February 13,Kyrylo Budanov, chief of Ukraine’s Main Directorate of Intelligence, informed you about a Russian plan to destabilize Moldova with two former Wagner associates. Budanov informed you that he viewed the Russian scheme as a way to incriminate Prigozhin because “we have dealings” with him. You instructed Budanov to inform Moldovan President Maia Sandu, and Budanov told you that the GUR had informed Prigozhin that he would be labeled a traitor who has been working with Ukraine. The document also says that Budanov expected the Russians to use details of Prigozhin’s secret talks with the GUR and meetings with GUR officers in Africa …

A: Listen, to be honest, well, you just read something, you say something. I just don’t understand where you get it, whom you talk to and so on. You talk about how I met with Budanov. This suggests that you — how do you put it? It looks like you have people who have some records or you have some evidence or you have something, because that’s what it looks like. You are again doing, I apologize, what you were doing before. You are releasing some sort of information that does not help our state to attack and does not help us to defend our state. So, I don’t quite understand what you are talking about. I don’t quite understand your goal. Is your goal to help Russia? I mean, that means we have different goals. If I’m not sitting at the same table with them, I don’t quite understand what we’re talking about. Each of these inquiries simply demotivates Ukraine, demotivates certain partners to help Ukraine. Well, one way or another, I just don’t understand your goal.

Q: Our goal is not to help Russia.

A: Well, it looks different.

Q: No one gave us this information personally. These were in the leaked documents, which do indicate, as I said earlier, that the United States is listening in on you.

A: And if you have classified documents, it means someone gave them to you. If you have access to documents, someone gave them to you. Today, in the world of modern technology, when you have access, it’s not necessarily someone gave it to you. You have access. You are now quoting some documents as originals, without understanding the responsibility for this, you are just talking about some information. For me, this is incomprehensible information, but in this, in our dialogue, I want to understand why you are doing this. I told you at the beginning of our conversation that I believe that the TV show that was launched, launched in the information field, helps — I don’t know who, but it helps Russia, it definitely doesn’t help Ukraine. You are engaged in continuing this story. And so, I ask you if it’s your choice and if you think that the Russian Federation needs to be helped in a variety of spheres — that they were expecting a Ukrainian counteroffensive in whichever direction, so that they know when we are coming, so that they know our powerful forces and what we are planning, what our intelligence is doing? Well, if that’s the case, then.

Q: I would say that these documents were leaked, not by us, and they were on the internet in a chatroom for weeks.

A: They were not on the internet, they were a part of something. We, the normal society, couldn’t access all of this. We couldn’t. And then, I think, information began to come out that we would partially publish everything else. I think it’s yours — or your editorial board, or whoever. I don’t want to offend anyone, I don’t know. That’s why you are releasing this information one by one today. You publish information about a counteroffensive in Ukraine, about this or that. I told you that I believe that this is, how to put it? — someone heard something somewhere, someone published something somewhere, but the information is compiled, and it is different, and it definitely does not work in Ukraine’s favor. That’s all. And now you want to take the bull by the horns. You need to substantiate or not substantiate this information, and then there will be a certain weight to your information, because the president of Ukraine reacts to it. Do you understand? And this is what you do. You are right now playing with, I think, things that aren’t good for our people. This is not the first time I’ve told you this. I think it’s wrong, but nevertheless, you say, “Just a little bit more, it’s not over yet.” Well, yes, it is. There are still a few people left in Ukraine. I am not interested in seeing this number of people decrease. That’s why we are fighting. [In English] I am so sorry, I was not so quick, I was too long about these documents. I don’t know about this …”

So maybe you can add that to one of your threads, if that information is interesting.

Btw I am banned from the other thread for posting the official update MOD of Russia numbers for the Ukrainian material losses, which somebody said was fake news and thus trolling because Ukraine only lost 60 planes and russia 70.
Based on this logic I assume I will be banned altogether soon, which is not something I have any control over lol

Anyway as my farewell request, maybe we could create a list/topic with all the telegram channels, both pro-Ukrainian as well as pro-russian. That way it is easy for others to get access to your information and maybe you could find out something as well.

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Btw I am banned from the other thread for posting the official update MOD of Russia numbers for the Ukrainian material losses, which somebody said was fake news and thus trolling because Ukraine only lost 60 planes and russia 70.

Based on this logic I assume I will be banned altogether soon, which is not something I have any control over lol

your assumptions, conclusions and logic doesn't always make sense, especially in the war section but you're doing quite alright in other sections, as long you stay on topic.

The numbers the russ mod is portraying and you're sharing in here are far less realistic (impossible actually, like we discussed before in here) and therefore fake news and you're sharing them right after WMM's update, whose numbers are MORE realistic and certainly not impossible (but can be taken with a grain of salt) is considered trolling.