Video From The Teresa Halbach Murder Case

[SusanMarie]

Originally Posted by CrunchyCripple

New lawyer http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...SS+RELEASE.pdf

Good news.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by azimuth

It would be good to know who called kept calling her and bothering her repeatedly. The "who" was never mentioned in the documentary, just the calls themselves.

Edward Edwards.

I'm about halfway through the documentary, and I started poking around a little bit online......... By some accounts, there was a convicted serial killer living less than an hour away from the crime scene.......... This killer ( Edwards ) was convicted of 5 murders, but suspected in many, many more........ I started looking into him last night, and he is one scary motherfucker in the sense that he is extremely intelligent, manipulative, and apparently had a thing for taunting the police and setting up others to take the blame for his crimes.

There is video of Edwards at the trial of Avery........ Classic Edwards MO.

[Azimuth]

Originally Posted by rob666

Edward Edwards.

I'm about halfway through the documentary, and I started poking around a little bit online......... By some accounts, there was a convicted serial killer living less than an hour away from the crime scene.......... This killer ( Edwards ) was convicted of 5 murders, but suspected in many, many more........ I started looking into him last night, and he is one scary motherfucker in the sense that he is extremely intelligent, manipulative, and apparently had a thing for taunting the police and setting up others to take the blame for his crimes.

There is video of Edwards at the trial of Avery........ Classic Edwards MO.

WOW. Thanks for the info, Rob!

[SusanMarie]

Very interesting info on Edwards.

[rob666]

I don't know if any of you guys have been digging into Edwards at all, but aside from being a published writer and an extra in movies he also apparently had a decent sized online presence.

I haven't been able to verify this as his independently, but according to some this is one of his accounts.

"Hello,
The week long serial killer fest on The Discovery Channel has left
me with a major case of serial killer on the brain syndrome, so I thought
I would share my theory on the existence of an "undetectable" serial
killer with the group.
I believe that beginning in the 1960's or 1970's, a new type of
serial killer began to operate. I call him the Undetectable Serial Killer.
This is a serial killer so brilliant, so organized, so in control of
himself and his emotions, so determined to avoid capture, and so lacking
in any desire for notoriety or publicity, that he or she is or was able to
commit at least 50 individual killings, and perhaps as many as 500
killings. And to do each one of them with such skill, with such a widely
varying modus operandi, that police and FBI have never been able to any
two of the 50-500 killings together. Much less any more than 2. Thus he or
she is truly an "undetectable" serial killer. Nobody knows that the 50-500
victims were killed by the same person. In fact, ALL 50-500 killings stand
alone as solo unsolved homicides.
Once any law enforcement authority is able to link 2 or more
killings to the same killer, the knowledge that the 2 crimes are the work
of a single killer destroys the killer's standing as an "undetectable"
serial killer. And so someone like Seattle's Green River Killer, while
great at avoiding capture and still garnering notoriety, is nowhere near
the genius level at which the Undetectable Serial Killer operates.
I believe that since the 1960's, at least 3, and perhaps as many
as 10, such Undetectable serial killers have each claimed in excess of 50
lives, all operating individually. They have no catchy nicknames like
Green River Killer or Zodiac. I cannot tell you in what area of the
country or world they committed their killings. This is due to their
brilliance. They killed each and every victim with such skill, such
foresight, such planning, they disposed of the bodies in so many different
ways, they never dumped 2 bodies in the same vicinity, they never
mutilated any 2 corpses in a similar fashion. In short, they never allowed
police the luxury of being able to figure out that even two, much less all
50-500 slayings, were the work of the same killer.
I believe that such an Undetectable serial killer is likely to have
matched 2 or more of the following personal facts and operational
methodology:
1) He was a lifelong drifter who never maintained a permanent
residence and never committed any 2 killings in the same city or county.
2) He was very wealthy and owned a large and isolated estate with
extensive grounds for burying or disposing of his victims in an
undetectable fashion.
3) He was not a sexually motivated "lust" killer, but rather a
highly intellectual person motivated by a cerebral desire/need/compulsion
to kill human beings for a "vengeance" or revenge against society purpose.
4) He never killed anyone while in an uncontrollable rage. All his
killings were done in a calm, detached manner, with the foremost thought
in his mind being the need to make each killing look DIFFERENT than all of
his other killings.
5) The killer never used the same weapon in any of his 50-500
killings.
6) The killer was very careful to never leave any ritualistic marks
or wounds at the crime scenes, or upon the bodies of his victims. He went
out of his way to vary each crime scene so that no two scenes could ever
be linked together by police or FBI. He wore different type shoes and
boots, perhaps even different sizes at various crime scenes, in order not
to allow any shoe print matches between any of the 50-500 crime scenes.
Most serial killers, on some level, seek and revel in notoriety.
They desire publicity for themselves and their crimes. They masturbate
with glee when reading the newspaper headline 'City gripped with fear as
serial killer claims new victim'. The Undetectable serial killer is
completely different. He has absolutely no desire for fame or notoriety.
He does not care if his name goes down in the history books. He cares not
a whit if after killing 500 people, nobody know his name or even the fact
that a single serial killer is responsible for the 500 killings. All he
cares about is indulging his desire/need to kill, for as long as he lives
and retains this compulsion. He wants to "retire" someday, just like all
you regular working stiffs, and take it easy at home during his golden
years, as he fondly recalls the glory of each of his killings.
He celebrates his own brilliance. That is enough for him. He needs
no screaming media headlines to feed his ego. Successfully killing so many
folks is enough to satisfy his ego and emotional needs. He celebrates his
anonymity. He revels in the glory of making each killing a unique and
unlinkable crime, forever destined to stand all alone as a solo unsolved
homicide.
I believe that one or more of these Undetectable serial killers
disposed of all the bodies in such an expert and thorough manner, that few
if any of the 50-500 victim's bodies were ever found. Thus the majority of
his victims are not even classified by police as murder victims, but
merely as "missing persons", because no bodies have ever been found.
I believe that in one or more of these Undetectable serial killer
strings most of the 50-500 victim's bodies WERE found. However, the killer
so expertly varied his dump sites and so expertly killed each victim in a
unique and unritualistic manner, using such a wide variety of killing
instruments and methods, that DESPITE finding most of the 50-500 bodies,
no police or FBI investigatory agency was or is able to "link" ANY of the
50-500 killings together. And thus all the killings are viewed as the work
of different killers, due to the technical brilliance of the Undetectable
Serial Killer.
So there you have it, my theory on who are truly the ULTIMATE serial
killers among us. Lots of people would vote for the Green River Killer....
But I believe my Undetectable S.K. theory is very valid, and highly likely
to be accurate. He or she (it could certainly be a female) is truly the
Ultimate in serial killers. A true PHANTOM who passes through your world
without fuss or fame or notoriety, quietly and expertly claiming their
vengeance by individually slaughtering 50-500 people, or possibly MORE,
over a 20-40 year killing career, and then just as quietly retiring to
live out their golden years in peace and prosperity, savoring the glory of
their killing exploits.
I have no "proof" to back up the actual existence of these
Undetectable Serial Killers. But I believe that the outline is very valid,
and that between 3 and 10 such Ultimate Undetectable serial killers have
claimed between 50-500 lives between 1960 and 1997, have never been
caught, and several of them are still alive and retired.... or still alive
and still actively killing.
Comments???????? "

[rob666]

Edwards was a life long drifter, never stayed in one place very long, and the crimes he was convicted of fit the description in that post.
Basically, that post is his way of telling the world of his accomplishments.

The more you look at the guy, the scarier he gets.

[CrunchyCripple]

Article and video of Kathleen Zellner, talking about her client, Steven Avery.

Justice for Toothbrush!!


"Asked whether she and her team have identified suspects in the case, Zellner says yes—and that they are all men who knew Halbach. “We have a couple. I’d say there’s one, leading the pack by a lot. But I don’t want to scare him off, I don’t want him to run,” she says, explaining why she won’t say more. In that same conversation, Zellner said both law enforcement and defense attorneys failed to investigate Halbach’s life, noting that the victim was a very nice person just starting her career. When told that sometimes people who are very nice can still be murder victims, Zellner agrees, adding, “And women who have bad judgment about men are murdered.” "

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/04/08/k...ry-441470.html

Whomever did this, is shitting their pants.

[ItsGotHair]

Originally Posted by CrunchyCripple

"Asked whether she and her team have identified suspects in the case, Zellner says yes—and that they are all men who knew Halbach. “We have a couple. I’d say there’s one, leading the pack by a lot. But I don’t want to scare him off, I don’t want him to run,” she says, explaining why she won’t say more. In that same conversation, Zellner said both law enforcement and defense attorneys failed to investigate Halbach’s life, noting that the victim was a very nice person just starting her career. When told that sometimes people who are very nice can still be murder victims, Zellner agrees, adding, “And women who have bad judgment about men are murdered.” "

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/04/08/k...ry-441470.html

Whomever did this, is shitting their pants.

She keeps coming out on twitter with allusions to all this mind-blowing evidence which proves beyond a doubt that Avery is innocent. One of them referred to Halbach's cellphone pinging towers in a direction moving away from Avery's place. She seems to believe that it proves Halbach left Avery's place alive. Avery could have quite easily shot her at his place and then taken her bag containing her cellphone away in a car for disposal. She better have something which actually proves Avery didn't leave along with that cellphone before she fronts a court.

I don't understand how his original defence team didn't pursue any kind of investigation of her ex-boyfriend and brother. They both blatantly stated that they hacked her cellphone account in order to read her voice messages. When pressed, the ex-boyfriend said that they guessed a few random numbers and got it correct within the maximum 3 attempts.

Hopefully Zellner does some better digging on those two.

[CrunchyCripple]

People are pissed that she's teasing on twitter about evidence. She's not going to lay it out for people to see. It has to stay private, to use it in her case.

If there's proof that Avery was on his landline phone, while hers was pinging 12+ miles away, that puts them in two totally different places.

It seems she has much more than the tower pings.

The judge banned the lawyers from directing the blame at anyone besides Avery. It's called Denny's law, I believe.

The cops ignored everything that wasn't directly connected to Avery, or his family's property.

....Even the seriously scratched and bruised hands of the ex boyfriend who hacked into her phone, along with her brother....

Zellner has much more freedom and $$ to follow leads and such.

[ItsGotHair]

Originally Posted by CrunchyCripple

People are pissed that she's teasing on twitter about evidence. She's not going to lay it out for people to see. It has to stay private, to use it in her case.

If there's proof that Avery was on his landline phone, while hers was pinging 12+ miles away, that puts them in two totally different places.

It seems she has much more than the tower pings.

The judge banned the lawyers from directing the blame at anyone besides Avery. It's called Denny's law, I believe.

The cops ignored everything that wasn't directly connected to Avery, or his family's property.

....Even the seriously scratched and bruised hands of the ex boyfriend who hacked into her phone, along with her brother....

Zellner has much more freedom and $$ to follow leads and such.

I'm really hoping that Zellner has rock-solid evidence in her possession and that she's not simply throwing allusions out there in order shake somebody up enough into exposing themselves. The tower pings alone wouldn't convince me that Avery wasn't travelling with the cellphone, but if she can absolutely place Avery at his home while the cellphone was pinging miles away, then this would be a relatively strong case. I'm not convinced that she has that kind of evidence, though, because calls which he made on his landline apparently came a while later (including his conversation with Jodi).

Clearly there was some manipulation of evidence there, but I'm also open to the possibility that Avery showed enough foresight to think that he could actually get off a murder charge by making it appear that he was framed by the police.

I would really like to see Avery get a decent trial, not only because he deserves it, but also because the first series made great viewing. There are just so many suspects and layers of mystery that you can't help but get obsessed by the case.