[soja]

Originally Posted by F1Racer ↗

This sentence is entirely what's wrong in America.

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Originally Posted by F1Racer ↗

Cops too trigger happy. Yes, the guy shouldn't have resisted arrest or got into a scuffle, or grabbed a taser and pointed it. But it's not like that was a threat to life. He was a bit drunk and didn't need to die for it.

Could this have ended a better way? Maybe. but facts are facts. You say this guy was not a threat to life, but you are wrong. He was driving not just drunk, but completely smashed. He was passed out in the drive thru at Wendy's! Didn't you ever see a mothers against drunk driving presentation where they show you the fatal horrors of driving while intoxicated?

Originally Posted by F1Racer ↗

What's the worst that could have happened ? He tases 1 cop ? There's another one right there. It's not like he would have got away.

great point, what did this guy think he would accomplish by resisting arrest and fighting the cops? He wouldn't get very far. Cops knew everything about him. He knew he was going to get arrested for a DUI, and any rational person would know that trying to escape and evade police would just get you in even more trouble.

So this guy demonstrated he was making irrational decisions, he was intoxicated, a danger to himself and others. He didn't just resist arrest, btw, he was assaulting the cops. He was punching them in the face. That is a little bit more violent than a little scuffle. Have you ever been punched in the face? Its not nothing.

Then he managed to steal a dangerous police taser and was escaping into the night. Police are trained to shoot to kill, and they are trained to eliminate threats. This individual was clearly a violent threat. Who knows the worst that could have happened. What if he got away and in desperation attempted to car jack an old man a block over. He shocks old man with taser, old man dies, drunk man evading the law then crashes full speed into pedestrians. how hurt should we imagine them to be?

Originally Posted by F1Racer ↗

His decision making is obviously flawed. As you said, where is the guy gonna
How about instead of trying to fucking arrest the guy after telling him he's drank too much, just park his car for him and tell him to go home (or even offer to give him a lift home). Job done and no-one has to die.

Actually, did you see the officers body cam footage? you should watch the whole thing. I will post it here shortly. Cops did attempt to arrest the guy for DUI with no issues. It appears they also tried to give him a break, let him move his car and be on his way. They were courteous and empathetic to him. The only reason Mr. Brooks is dead now is because Mr. Brooks did something stupid and got himself killed. Fighting armed cops is probably one of the dumbest and most dangerous things anyone can do.

Originally Posted by F1Racer ↗

No reason to arrest him. Reported yes, but not arrested. Park his car, take his keys which he can pick up next day from the police station.
Cops in US can't even handle unarmed people without killing them.

tell that to MADD. This guy broke the law by driving while drunk, and breaking the law gets you arrested. Equality. It seems like the cop even tried to give this guy a break too, asked him to move his car because he was in the drivethru, and the guy passed out while attempting to move his car.

Originally Posted by F1Racer ↗

BTW, a taser is hardly a deadly weapon.

Yeah, hardly. But it is dangerous and can for sure cause death in some people.

Originally Posted by F1Racer ↗

To even say that if you resist arrest you should expect to be killed is just sad, pathetic and a huge part of the problem in the US.
Incompetent, power hungry, trigger happy cops.

I didn't say that. I said this incident occurred because the guy resisted arrest. I said "don't resist arrest if you want to live", not "If you resist arrest expect to die". I have said previously resisting arrest is a dangerous gamble. Maybe you will be ok, but I don't see why you should expect to be ok if you are resisting arrest and putting police lives in danger. they just want to get home too.

If Mr. Brooks would have just accepted his fate and let himself get arrested, like a responsible adult, he would have lived for his day in court.

Now he is dead and agitators want to try to point to this as police brutality? I find that disgusting. I find that racist. I find that insulting to my intelligence.

Don't resist arrest and you will be fine! What the fuck is so hard about that?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by F1Racer ↗

And yes, no need for the cops to even be called here. Again, another black man dies because some dweeb calls for cops for something petty.
A Wendy's staff member could have knocked on the window and asked him to move the car. End of story.
Afraid if they were going to be shot perhaps ? Well, that's the society you made for yourselves. You made that bed, now lie in it.

So if the drunk had of been armed and he shot a Wendy's server just for doing their job they would have deserved it? What a humanitarian you are, what a complete contradiction to your whole argument.

[1776]

Originally Posted by Steve 1 ↗

So if the drunk had of been armed and he shot a Wendy's server just for doing their job they would have deserved it? What a humanitarian you are, what a complete contradiction to your whole argument.

You can't assume he would harm a Wendy's server just because he was a violent drunk with a long history of domestic battery and extreme child abuse. Anyway what is the life of a server, customer at Wendy's, police officer or a family on the roadway when compared to protecting the freedom and ego of this model citizen.

[Omegas3]

I believed the shooting was justified, however, whenever there's a police involved shooting and the deceased has a criminal record, that always seems to be the reasoning for bootlickers to justify a police shooting. I don't give a fuck if beat some Mayo monkeys ass at a bar ten years ago while on post. Does that mean I deserve to die for an unrelated incident? I remember watching the police excute a homeless white man who had encamped in the hillside a few years ago. They justified the shooting only after flash banging him and siccing the dog on him, then murdering him with assault rifles. No one cared about his criminal record, and the white people who weren't total bootlickers, were justly upset as anyone else should have been. Not all pigs are bad but the ones who are are protected by the others who stay silent. Same as being white or black. There's no such thing as individualism or accountability for right wingers because they label EVERYONE. America is so fucked. I love it. It's making me money watching it burn

[soja]

I tried to upload this video and another one I was able to cut down to abt 15 mins to the site to contribute to the thread, but every time it got to 100% the upload would fail. so I took the original 30 min cut I made and uploaded to youtube.

here is the body cam footage. this guy would have been fine had he remained cool. This was not police brutality. this was not racism

[Sinil]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Human rights happen to be an issue with which I have zero tolerance for a 'different world view.' If you're the sort of person who believes it is ethical for a civil servant to murder a man by shooting him in the back while he is running away, then your world view marks you as a sub-human. Those who place so little value on a human life, whatever color, are beneath contempt to me and I address them accordingly.

No doubt, 100% agree. But now I got another question for you.

I was at the court house today and I saw our ADA in the hallway. We got to talking about this case and she told me "there is a saying in the District Attorney's office 'Lawful but Awful'."

Basically, just because it's legal doesn't mean your not scum for doing it.

She pointed to how inconsistent the Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard is being (She thinks the pressure of the demonstrations are getting to him). She highlighted how he was not using the same application of evidence across multiple cases.

Howard recently charged six Atlanta Police Department officers, with aggravated assault, when they used their taser multiple times to detain two college students.

Georgia Law

Aggravated assault, a*felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

- with the intent to rob, rape or murder
or
- with a DEADLY weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in SERIOUS bodily injury or strangulation, or
or
- by discharging a firearm from a vehicle.

(Ga. Code Ann. § 16-5-21)

The ADA described serious bodily harm as something along the line of life, limb, or eye sight kinda shit.

So fast forward to the Rayshard Brooks shooting. Now, you have the same Fulton County District Attorney Howard about to charge this officer. Howard, in reference to the Brooks shooting case, is quoted by CBS news stating (a taser) "It's not a lethal weapon, it's a non-lethal weapon."

It either is or it isn't...

What you think?

[Overlord86]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

FINALLY! Someone saw through the partisan B.S. to the heart of the matter.

Why not square buns to match the patties? Square on round is an abomination.

[Overlord86]

Had the officers stayed with the suspects car then a DUI suspect runs home and is apprehended later. It seems like that is the direction the Austin PD is taking

The problem with this approach is that at some point the tab has to be paid. The arrest warrants need to be served. All this approach does is kick the can down the road a year or so before you have all these wanted people running around with impunity.

In the case of a DWI, the suspect needs to be brought in and given field sobriety tests on film as well as potentially another breath or blood sample taken for evidence. That evidence is destroyed if you let them just walk home.

I would hope MADD has something to say about this "let him walk home" tactic but I doubt they will dare chime in with support for the officers.

[Overlord86]

On thing that is never tracked is the number of times an officer could have been 100% justified in killing a suspect but do not. Every active cop has dozens of stories of suspects they could have killed but took exceptional risk and found a way to avoid using deadly force.

But the harsh reality is not every situation can be resolved without using deadly force. Sometimes suspects do things that leave the officer no choice.

True bad shootings are so rare we know the victim's name, like Castillo. If the cause was truly one you care about, you would know Justine Damond's name.

Officer involved shootings are found justified by a grand jury of normal citizens at a rate of almost 99%.

True bad shootings are an anomaly with your chances of being the victim less than winning the Powerball...twice. Despite the millions of arrests made in this country, of violent and sometimes heavily armed suspects that have committed horrible crimes, police shootings are extremely rare. Most officers will not be involved in a shooting in their career.

We have children being scared shitless by their parents who claim the police are boogeymen who will kill them on sight when the evidence in no way supports that. There was a scientific study conducted that found that white officers were less likely to kill black suspects that white suspects in identical scenarios. Black officers are more likely to shoot black suspects according to the study. We now make teens getting their driver's license watch a video on how to act when pulled over to counter the lies told by the parents.

Lots of departments have been proactive and put community leaders in real scenarios with sim rounds. These community leaders learn quite a bit as they see how quickly a situation can turn deadly, for them or the suspect. They see how an unarmed person can be shot because lots of them shoot unarmed suspects.


We are all being played by groups that wants us at each other's throats and distracted. The media is a contributor to chaos and ine of the groups. Controversy and chaos sells advertising during the news and in print media. Different political factions also contribute to the chaos. Look for the people that gain financially by unrest.

The faster we all wake up to this engineered chaos is the faster we make things better for everyone.

[William May]

Originally Posted by Overlord86 ↗

Why not square buns to match the patties? Square on round is an abomination.

Not only square the buns, but square the NAPKINS! The dumbest high school cheerleader can easily (well, semi-easily) see that the napkins are RECTANGLES!! Talk the talk, walk the walk!