[CuriousGeorge420]

Originally Posted by mantara32 ↗

Okay, okay... settle petal.

I'm not debating any of that. I'm merely saying that all you have against him so far is an opinion. Your case against him is about as thin as his volume of personal evidence to support his claims. Perhaps he may at some point produce the goods and then we can all crawl into our beds with a smile. But for now all you can do is point your finger and form an allegation against him, nothing more.

And bitching about him or crafting an intelligent argument against him is not going to bring you or anyone else here closer to some sort of agreement. Just agree to disagree and be done with it.

I agree with what you say. I guess I got pissed off because when I questioned the validity of the threat I was met with profanity and bigotry. I am trying to grow as a person at not let stupid people affect me but it takes time!

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by NLPer ↗

Brand new here, but I have to chime in...I was there that day as well, and I am absolutely 100% sure that Bill is who he says he is based on alot of what he has said. Why there are folks on here that keep bashing him, who knows? I mean, when you stop and think about it, even if Bill was a fake (which, I don't believe he is), what has he done or said that has blemished the memory of those that died that day?

There are a lot of sites on the internet that are operated by individuals that were not there that day, and yet, they offer an opinion that is so ridiculous even a 5 year old would scoff at their theories. Yet, they are deemed trustworthy and given a certain sense of "credibility". I still get angry when I hear such ones talk as if they know better than those that were there that day, even ridiculing those (like me) that lived through that horrific day to tell about it.

My life was saved by someone that didn't hesitate to risk hers and never once did I, because of this tragedy, ever feel that she did so with an attitude of "PRAISE ME, I'M A HERO!" If she was still alive today, she would be saddened by some of the things that have been said to anyone that was there.

For those that were there, we all know what it was like: the chaos, the disbelief, the fear that there was something worse about to happen and you just want to keep one foot in front of the other to get out, the constant sound of alarms, booms, cops and firefighters yelling, the women's screams, the glass, the people still trapped yelling with all their might, the bodies...the poor people that didn't make it, and feeling guilty because you were out and you knew they were still up there, the fear....

It takes alot of courage to talk about this to anyone, and I admire Bill for it.

I also believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if I disagree with it.

The bashers on here have the right to disagree with Bill all they want, but please folks, turning it into a childish game of name calling and accusations...well, that IS defiling and demeaning to those that died that day.

RIP to all those that perished that day...and to Emily, who died that day so that I, and I am sure a few others, could live...

Thank you, sorry you had to experience it, but glad somebody else understands it.

[NLPer]

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Thank you, sorry you had to experience it, but glad somebody else understands it.

Well, I don't know if I will ever understand 9/11...I think I could live to be 200 years old and never understand why it happened, but I know how you feel, Bill, and I understand how difficult it is to talk about it.

I also understand how being bashed in here makes it even more difficult to talk about it, let alone trust enough to put some of your personal photos up. I feel the same way.

A memory that sticks out of my mind is when I finally made it out into the sunlight, there was a reporter there that was trying to talk to everyone as we were stumbling by. I remember looking at his face and seeing how scared he was. He kept repeating the same thing over and over to this one woman that had stopped and was talking to him. She finally stopped talking, put her arm around him, and he just started crying, I mean really crying in a way that I have never seen a person cry before. I then saw that his cameraman put his camera down and stopped filming. Respect.

My friend and I, like a lot of people there, started using our phones to take pics and those that had better phones started taking video. Some of the people there were even mad that the cops wouldn't let anyone close enough to see where the bodies were landing, presumably to take pics of the people landing. To this day, anytime that I think of those photos, the raw emotion attached to those images sometimes becomes more than I can bear if I look at them.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I know how difficult it is to share your photos on a forum such as this, Bill. If and when you choose to share yours, I hope that the good folks on here will understand how incredibly difficult it is to do so...

[CaSe]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge420 ↗

I agree with what you say. I guess I got pissed off because when I questioned the validity of the threat I was met with profanity and bigotry. I am trying to grow as a person at not let stupid people affect me but it takes time!

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[Billthegravedigger]

I will post them when I feel right about it people. I have posted all kinds of shit on here to help people get a feel for the situation so many times, it's unreal. Not just here either. Look at my profile and see all the shit I've posted trying to show what happened that day.

At first, all I mentioned was having a friend there. Why ? Read through the comments in all the other threads. Most tried to utilize what was posted, but a few would pop off with comments that were disturbing. After talking to a few people, they thought sharing info with others would help, and that's when I started letting people know I was there that day.

Some accepted it, a few made a spectacle. I've been through counseling, shrinks, the whole nine yards. It did not help. I still have nightmares of being 1,200 feet in the air with one way down. I still hear the sounds of people hitting the ground, and I don't care what anyone says, they sounded like explosions. Not C-4, anfo, or rdx, TNT, but they still sounded like explosions.

I still see them hit the ground and fly apart in all directions. They exploded, disentigrated, whatever you want to call it, but they were no longer recognizable as human beings. It's not even easy to describe it. It sucks, none of those people did anything to deserve that shit. As bad as all of that is, the pregnant woman is still the worst. Watching her and her unborn child bust apart is something I will never forget, no matter how bad I want to.

[CaSe]

I once swallowed a piece of human flesh that was not my own.

I'll never forget it, but I don't want to talk about it so please don't ask me about it......just wait for me to start another thread about it or describe it disgusting detail here.

Oh yeah and please have pity on me and pour your sympathies on.

[CaSe]

I also have a friend that was killed in the civil war, but don't ask me about that either.

[CaSe]

I also have pictures of bigfoot eating from my hand, but don't pressure me to post them or I WON'T!!! I'LL POST THEM WHEN I FEEL LIKE IT DAMNIT!!!!

[itseasyactually]

Okay, I'm pretty sick of this. You both keep attacking Bill for not posting pictures he has. You say he can look at pictures he posts here, but won't post his own. In your logic, this means he's a liar. Well guess what, you both have missed something.

Triggers.

Pictures are a physical form of a memory. Personal pictures are known as triggers because you saw what is being shown in the exact same way. For stressful events that you have pictures of, you're reminded of it. The smells, the feelings, everything tied to that situation is in that picture to the person who took it. This is why Bill's pictures are harder on himself than other pictures he's posted. It's pathetic to see you two bashing him constantly.

You demanded pictures, accused him of lying. Seeing as how he has a lot of feelings tied into this, he retaliated with anger. I know that feeling, and I'm sure multiple people here have felt that way too.

So my only words of advice to you two are either go away and quit accusing someone of lying when your only evidence can very much so be voided by simple psychology, or simply quit calling him a liar and just wait for them to be posted. And if they aren't posted, whose loss is it? Nobody's. Plain and simple.

[CaSe]

tl:dr