US Gunman Opens Fire at Batman Screening in Denver, Colorado.

[mengala]

Lieberfrau, the main reason, the U.S. invaded Iraq, was to take out Israel's enemy saddam. The zionist jew lobby AIPAC, has the U.S. government in a strangle hold. There was no WMD's in Iraq and Osama bin Laden was not in Iraq. The U.S. citizen's didn't even get lower gas prices out of this event, actually the opposite happened with the prices. So ISRAEl has iraqi children's blood on it's hand as well.

For all those that don't know, research AIPAC and other israeli foreign interest group's and see what havoc they cause to foreign policy, they also bleed American taxpayer's sending billion's in aid, especially to Israel.

[Lieberfrau]

LOL are you implying that the USA - the great America - can be pushed into bombing a country by a couple of Jews? Stranglehold? What do we have on the US? As much as I hate to admit it, the US is nursing our financial needs, so if any country is the other's bitch, I'm pretty sure we are the one with the cunt.

No, Iraq had no WMDs and Osama was innocent in 9/11, but that doesn't make it our fault. Rumor has it, Iraq is an oily place, and the American public needed a temporary scapegoat for instant gratification.

[mengala]

You use your hasbara manual often don't you?
http://my.opera.com/salventura/blog/...sbara-handbook

another interesting read for those who want to understand the zionist's a little better.

[Bluegill]

Last time I checked this was a debate about a shooting and gun laws, not the Middle Eastern fucktardery.

[mengala]

Originally Posted by Bluegill

Last time I checked this was a debate about a shooting and gun laws, not the Middle Eastern fucktardery.

Your right, i just couldn't help pointing out the irony of Leiberfrau's statement.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by 5150

Oh pleeeeeease... Let me buy you a box of tissues if I was too harsh for you. This isn't exactly the Betty Crocker good manners forum. I thought I was pretty refrained in responding to the predictable gun control people who can only blow smoke out of their rear end when a tragedy like this happens. I'm tired of the fact they NEVER use any logic nor will they answer the simple questions asked of them. They typically throw out a few personal attacks against the poster or against the USA and feel like they contributed in some meaningful way to solving a problem they don't have the least clue about.

Every country has unique issues with guns. If guns are the problem, why isn't there a gun problem in Switzerland? If gun control works, why does Mexico have 400% higher gun murder rate than USA. Why is murder twice as high in the UK that bans guns versus Switzerland that requires every home to have a gun? Etc...

Sorry if I have been a little rude, but I've lost patience with the simple minded gun control mantra to solve complex social issues which have very little to do with guns to begin with.

And yeah Creepy, I've noticed your posts and thanks for the support. You have far more patience than me.

This dead horse has been beat enough. In closing, this is the USA, and if you don't understand or know where these two quotes come from, you'll never understand our passion for keeping our "assault weapons" and guns: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants." "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"

Peace brothers. Even if it has to be through superior fire power.

Typical American gung ho response there.

[Lieberfrau]

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."

Some nations that also enjoy liberty, additionally enjoy the liberty of not having to worry about their possibly deranged neighbor owning a goddamn M4 or some grandiose kid outta touch with reality having access to his dad's Glock. If no one owned them, then no one would abuse them. Blood of patriots my ass, what good can the average private gun owner do with his arsenal? Shoot a "suspect is a black male"? And what tyrants except your redneck wifebeater neighbor? Oh, Bin Laden, yeah, and how many innocent people did you take down with him? Bin Laden couldn't have dreamed of competing with the USA when it comes to butchering innocent people in the name of perceived justice. And it was not even a bunch of civilians in baseball hats who took him down, but the military. Evidencing once again that private gun ownership contributes squat to your "liberty" or safety.
Stop feeling so important. It's not like everyone is out to get you. Let's leave the blood of patriots and the defense of the nation to trained and controlled military personnel - what the fuck more do you need? You're looking like a nation of on-call vigilantes itching to have a reason to show off when there doesn't have to be one.

Military. Law enforcement. Security jobs. Anyone else with firearms for potential use on humans, should be thoroughly scrutinized. EVERY gun owner thinks of themselves as competent and qualified, and look how that turns out again and again.

[Flaka]

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[kasapin]

Originally Posted by Lieberfrau

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."

Some nations that also enjoy liberty, additionally enjoy the liberty of not having to worry about their possibly deranged neighbor owning a goddamn M4 or some grandiose kid outta touch with reality having access to his dad's Glock. If no one owned them, then no one would abuse them. Blood of patriots my ass, what good can the average private gun owner do with his arsenal? Shoot a "suspect is a black male"? And what tyrants except your redneck wifebeater neighbor? Oh, Bin Laden, yeah, and how many innocent people did you take down with him? Bin Laden couldn't have dreamed of competing with the USA when it comes to butchering innocent people in the name of perceived justice. And it was not even a bunch of civilians in baseball hats who took him down, but the military. Evidencing once again that private gun ownership contributes squat to your "liberty" or safety.
Stop feeling so important. It's not like everyone is out to get you. Let's leave the blood of patriots and the defense of the nation to trained and controlled military personnel - what the fuck more do you need? You're looking like a nation of on-call vigilantes itching to have a reason to show off when there doesn't have to be one.

Military. Law enforcement. Security jobs. Anyone else with firearms for potential use on humans, should be thoroughly scrutinized. EVERY gun owner thinks of themselves as competent and qualified, and look how that turns out again and again.

As you haven't read the American constitution please don't write this crap...
I suggest go read it ..and after that come back and revise your post.

Originally Posted by Lieberfrau

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."

Some nations that also enjoy liberty, additionally enjoy the liberty of not having to worry about their possibly deranged neighbor owning a goddamn M4 or some grandiose kid outta touch with reality having access to his dad's Glock. If no one owned them, then no one would abuse them. Blood of patriots my ass, what good can the average private gun owner do with his arsenal? Shoot a "suspect is a black male"? And what tyrants except your redneck wifebeater neighbor? Oh, Bin Laden, yeah, and how many innocent people did you take down with him? Bin Laden couldn't have dreamed of competing with the USA when it comes to butchering innocent people in the name of perceived justice. And it was not even a bunch of civilians in baseball hats who took him down, but the military. Evidencing once again that private gun ownership contributes squat to your "liberty" or safety.
Stop feeling so important. It's not like everyone is out to get you. Let's leave the blood of patriots and the defense of the nation to trained and controlled military personnel - what the fuck more do you need? You're looking like a nation of on-call vigilantes itching to have a reason to show off when there doesn't have to be one.

Military. Law enforcement. Security jobs. Anyone else with firearms for potential use on humans, should be thoroughly scrutinized. EVERY gun owner thinks of themselves as competent and qualified, and look how that turns out again and again.

What nations that enjoy liberty are you referring too? Those imagined nations of yours that don't have to worry about a deranged neighbor? Name them please. I urge you to help the people of the world feel safer they can move there.

This isn't an issue of foreign policy. This isn't an issue of potential gun owners being thoroughly scrutinized. This isn't an issue of distaste for America. Nor gun control or policy. You seem to push right past the fact that guns are not the only means for destroying yer fellow respected humans.

The real current event here is the story of one guy who walked into a theatre and killed an innocent six year old girl watching a movie, amongst many. He was American. Just a couple months ago it was a Canadian walking into a mall. You may be of the opinion that any violent crime could have been avoided by stricter gun regulations or that disallowing arms would instantly make everyone happy and sane and carefree. I think you are missing something very important. The human componant. There have and will always be extremist individuals or groups who will harm their fellow citizens. And the reasons are as complex as the methods. Sometimes its a stone, sometimes its a gun, or a homemade bomb.

I think its a completely narrow view you espouse. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsIte...S/Default.aspx. anyone at anytime in any nation (even yer own) could be sitting down enjoying a nice picnic in a park. Or a batman movie in a theatre and face this kind of extremist violence. I think your nation ought to look at banning rocks and iron bars myself. 5150 is so right when he says nobody will answer his questions.

I'm not even gonna bore myself with responding to the Calm down comments or show off vigilante justice comments. Don't sully an intelligent, well thought post with fucktardery. You make a good argument. It just isn't realistic at all.