[Illusion]

Originally Posted by lesslis2015 ↗

I'm done

I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say in your wall of text, but if you must go, please take Oswald with you.

[lesslis2015]

Guess i was just ending my train of thought in writing. Oz is fine where he is im sure. Why so irritated?

[lesslis2015]

Is that all that stood out to you in the post?

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by lesslis2015 ↗

Guess i was just ending my train of thought in writing. Oz is fine where he is im sure. Why so irritated?

I never said i wanted you to go. I thought you were leaving.

[lesslis2015]

Ok. I do understand the opinions regarding breed bans. I just think many Stats and articles do have agendas and get skewed. My concern about banning certain breeds based on those skewed results could effect other breeds. I think any large dog with teeth can be dangerous. But when you have poorly bred large dogs placed with uninformed owners we get breed bans hence my breeding soap box. At the risk of sounding snooty, my well bred Shepherds are no LESS dangerous then the neighbors backyard bred pit but the difference is the owners have no clue and the dog is a mess.

[Desensitisation]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

Training advice is well and fine in the proper context. Its just that it will not solve The REAL Problem.

The REAL Problem is F*ckwit Owners.

That's it.

Nothing else is The REAL Problem.


Unless F*ckwit Owners are dealt with, nothing has been done.




You might as well have suggested painting your front porch...for all the good it will do.

Why not advice on how to change your own water pump?

Or the optimum method of growing radishes in a home garden?



Proper training and treatment of animals comes into play when there are good responsible owners...and are quite separate matters from The REAL Problem.

Even if proper training might help, F*ckwit Owners will not do it...because they are F*ckwits.

Pit Bull problems are because of F*ckwit Owners.



It's quite odd that you would mischaracterize a precise and concise isolation of The REAL Problem as a "narrow view of the world."


I'm not too narrow.

You, and the vast majority of other people, are simply in denial.

I'm not in denial of anything, Os; you seem to think we're on opposite sides of the argument problem, when we're basically on the same side.

One BIG issue you need to acknowledge though, Os: Not all owners of problem dogs are complete fuckwits. Ignorant? Sure... there is a huge segment of the dog-owning population that is ignorant of how to interpret dog behaviour, but the people themselves are still reasonably intelligent, and certainly not malicious.

Couple that with the vast amount of conflicting and confusing information on the internet from people who tend to gloss-over or apply the same technique to every dog "because it works", and you have a situation where unless you have someone who DOES know dog behaviour and training, you're going to have decent folks misusing training techniques. And frankly, I find that about 50% or more of problem dogs stem from this, and not from fuckwit owners who intend to make a dog aggressive, abuse it intentionally and so-forth.

Finally, yes... I would love to see fuckwit owners done away with. They are the ones who, as already mentioned, invariably misbreed the animals, use them as a visual status symbol to compensate for their tiny dicks and fragile egos, but there's always going to be people like that. Always. And this is where BSL is supposed to work just a little bit: By preventing people from getting hold of these strong, powerful, tenacious dogs...

But I can guarentee, 100%, that this won't stop fuckwits from turning any breed of dog into a disaster. This is why I would rather do away with BSL, and introduce FSL: Fuckwit Specific Legislation. Anyone who wants to own a dog over 20lbs/10kg in size must sit a theory and practical test demonstrating their knowledge of dog handling. Fail? Tough shit, no bigger dogs for you. Get caught with a dog you legally can't own? Lose your dog, get fined, and a kick in your tiny, tiny nuts.

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by Desensitisation ↗

One BIG issue you need to acknowledge though, Os: Not all owners of problem dogs are complete fuckwits.

I don't need to acknowledge any such thing.

I never implied otherwise.

It was you that inferred it.

I simply accurately and directly identified The REAL Problem

It's due to your own insecurity that you have such a narrow view of the world that keeps you locked into a knee jerk reaction mode.





All things have their place.

Including hand grenades.

In the right hands, of course.

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by lesslis2015 ↗

Ok. I do understand the opinions regarding breed bans. I just think many Stats and articles do have agendas and get skewed. My concern about banning certain breeds based on those skewed results could effect other breeds. I think any large dog with teeth can be dangerous. But when you have poorly bred large dogs placed with uninformed owners we get breed bans hence my breeding soap box. At the risk of sounding snooty, my well bred Shepherds are no LESS dangerous then the neighbors backyard bred pit but the difference is the owners have no clue and the dog is a mess.

I agree 100%.

Bite stats are misleading because not all dogs bite the same. Some breeds cause far more damage than other breeds when attacking. Ankle biters are not known for severe maiming when attacking their prey, but they are still thrown in the dog bite data pool. So we're not looking at dog bites, but rather bites causing severe maiming or death.

My concern about banning certain breeds based on those skewed results could effect other breeds. I think any large dog with teeth can be dangerous.

This is how BSL and Bans work. They force dog owners to be more responsible and more importantly being well-informed about the circumstances relating to their own dog.

[Illusion]

Let's talk more about pit-bull biology.

Pit bulls inflicted more serious wounds than other breeds. Through selective breeding, pit bulls have developed enormous jaw strength, as well a unique "hold and shake" bite style, designed to inflict the maximum damage possible on their prey.

Pit Bull advocates encourage owners to be responsible and to always carry a "break stick". A break stick is basically a key to open up the locked jaw of the pit bull if it gets into a fight.

Again no other dog breed possesses the pit bull's aggressive, unpredictable tenacity combined with a "hold and shake" bite style, which usually results in severe maiming or death to its victims on the first attack.

This tactic is specifically for PB. They're the only breed that grabs & shakes without opening the jaw. Do not use this on other breeds, they are more likely to turn & snap at you than stay clinged on like a PB. PitBull Rescue Central recommends you have a break stick if you own a PB.

[Illusion]

This is a great video involving the dangers of pit bulls. Watch as these two pits create havoc in a small community in Topeka Kansas.

TOPEKA (KSNT) – Topeka police say the owner of two pit bulls involved in an attack on three people in a Topeka city park Thursday has been cited for the dogs’ behavior.

Twenty-eight year old Angelo D. Aldridge was cited on six counts of having a dangerous dog, two counts of allowing the dogs to be at large and two counts of failure to have the dogs licensed.

Thursday afternoon three people were wounded by the dogs, two adult men and an 11 year old boy when the dogs got loose in a city park near Southwest 18th and Central Park.

Several callers called 911 of the attacks about two o’clock in the afternoon and when officers responded they found the two dogs attacking the victims. An officer fired one shot from his handgun striking one of the dogs in the leg, the two animals were later captured by animal control officers.

The shooting came just a few hours after Topeka Police Chief James Brown announced a new policy in the wake of another shooting in mid July where a former judge’s dog was shot by an officer when the dog charged the officer. The department released the video from the officer’s body-camera just a few hours after Thursday’s attack.