Chauvin Trial

[WonderMomma]

Ok... now you're getting personal you simple minded egomaniac. Which only proves my point of what an absolute daft, boring asshole you are.

Originally Posted by niknik

That's hilarious. But unsurprising. It's you people's go to, you think you're more intelligent. Because all you follow, all you entertain is mainstream media.

Biased media? That's also hilarious. You mean like cnn? Sure, I hear lots of biased news. From CNN, most of the mainstream outlets.

That's the problem, this is why you're thinking in a little box. The mainstream media is biased. And many people like yourself think they're not.

You people? What "people" would you be referring to???

How the fuck do you know what news I watch, if any at all? I have said in more than a few posts here that ALL of the mainstream media is biased brain-washing manipulators, one way or another. I mean ALL of them. They are ALL glorified talk shows, sprinkled with convenient and fleeting truths here and there. Everything's manipulated and twisted to fit whatever political agenda or political side they sit on.

I don't watch CNN/FOX/MSNBC/ETC... my S.O. watches local CBS news every morning before work, mainly for local traffic and weather. So, much of the news I do see is from there... but I don't go sitting in front of the TV and turn on the news unless there's something happening big enough to be shown on my local CBS station.

I watched the trial on CSPAN. No biased commentary, no one stating their opinions based on personal beliefs or political views. I was able to hear the details as they were presented in court.

Anything I wanted to know more about, I went and retrieved the facts from police departments websites or court record websites, which I have posted numerous times here. If I couldn't find it there, I looked for the most neutral, non-political websites I could find. Do you know how hard that is to find?

Originally Posted by niknik

But just watch. It might take a couple years. But I bet his verdict gets thrown out. And I bet that 3rd degree charge is one of the reasons why. And when he's retried, it will be without that charge.

My narrative is the truth. Yours is based on systemic racism, yours is based on the color of everyone's skin.

Are you out of your mind? Do you have me confused with someone else? I am fucking flabbergasted by this statement. Post a link of me making any negative or "pro" comments about skin color or one fucking racist comment I have made... just one.

I am an English/Irish/Cherokee woman... technically "white". I have a 23 year old biracial (black/white) daughter. The love of my life is Spanish/Navajo. You HAVE to have me confused with someone else you're bickering with. The only thing I discriminate against is blatant stupidity... including animal cruelty, fucking with children, and 24 hour news networks.

Originally Posted by niknik

Why else is Chauvin such a monster in your eyes? And Floyd is not. If we're being honest, they're both better off out of society.

When did I call Chauvin a monster? When did I call Floyd a saint? You assume I think he's a saint because I posted actual evidence that some of his criminal history is being exaggerated? Because I believe in the truth?

One of my earlier posts in this very thread is a list of many things about this situation that stood out to me... about both Chauvin and Floyd based on what I had saw/heard in the trial at that time. Perhaps you should have read that post before saying this.

Yes, they were/are both less than desirable human beings and I agree, that perhaps society is better off without them in it. But I'd say the same for your ignorant, delusional ass... but that doesn't mean I see you as less of a human being because you're a fucktard. I don't "do religion" but the human beings that wrote that useless book had some great quotes... "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

Floyd has already paid the price(s) for all of his actions contributing to his death. This topic is about Chauvin being held accountable for his. Period. In fact, I didn't give a personal opinion on Chauvin until after the verdict and I started researching his history. I called him a piece of shit waste of space in direct response to someone calling Floyd the same. I did not disagree with that, rather thought it only fair to point out Chauvin' is no fucking alter boy.

Having said that, one of them is dead because of his interaction with the other and that’s why we are here. People are going off on tangents making COMPLETELY FALSE statements and basically making shit up as they go along. It's looking a lot like a "report" on CNN or Fox News. For fuck’s sake, as I write this… you are still making off topic, completely unrelated posts in this thread about all kinds of shit. Repeatedly.

Originally Posted by niknik

So please, do your best at insulting the shit out of my intelligence. You seem pretty good at making assumptions and pretending you're more intelligent. But declaring yourself smart and me dumb is hardly any kind of accomplishment, I think anyone can do that.

WHAT? When did I reference MY intelligence or say that I'm smarter than you? Or is it you making the assumptions? Between this and the race thing... you sure do like to put words in strangers' mouths.

I'm doing my damnedest to post related facts via official legal documents. Where's your audio or transcript depicting everything the jury was thinking or feeling during their deliberations? Do you have a crystal ball? Where are any official statements or post trial interviews of them specifically stating their reasons for convicting him? Where's the video of you personally interviewing every single one of them to come to your speculative conclusions that they convicted out of intimidation instead of the testimony presented in trial? You keep stating you know "for a fact" why they decided what they decided as if you were there. All you're doing is speculating and muddying the waters that are already pretty dirty.

You must have missed the posts where I expressed that also being a concern of mine. Then, after hearing all the doctors and police officials from both sides testify, it became clearer that they may not have to worry about that. When they convicted him on ALL 3 counts... I was absolutely shocked, to be honest. But that, in and of itself, told me they believed that this human being 100% had a role in taking the life of another human being. Truth be told, I was unaware one person could be charged with three different counts like that for one person's death. I thought they had to choose one or the other.

Don’t worry… your boy will likely get some kind of break after that idiotic statement that congresswoman said on national TV. But until that happens… or until the jury publicly states they felt they HAD to convict out of fear or intimidation, give it a fucking rest already. You MAY be right… but you’re not right YET.

It's funny that all of the things I posted to prove you and others were incorrect about the woman being pregnant... him NOT being the one that assaulted her with the gun, or even things you may not have been aware of such as Chauvin using the same "kneeing" tactic on a 14-year-old boy to unconsciousness in 2017, you never addressed. Classic dodging.

Instead, you start attacking me personally and continuing going around and around in circles based on your obvious biased and emotional opinions about the situation. Then hypocritically calling me emotional. A hypocrite claiming not to be a hypocrite.

You repeatedly criticize the left, left, left, left. CNN, CNN, CNN. Where's your criticism of the right, right, right, FOX, FOX, FOX. You still claim you're unbiased and holier than thou? I call bullshit.

*insert slow firm clap emoji* Nice job. I'm still convinced you have me confused with someone else you've been going back and forth with. You should have at least perused some of my previous posts before throwing around your unfounded, baseless accusations as if we've ever interacted before today. . Do your research if you're going to attempt to say things about people... you made yourself look like an idiot. I'm officially done with you and will simply ignore you from this point forward. . Have a nice life and good luck with your "unbiased" views.

God damn that was long. I am actually a bit pissed off at myself for wasting this much time and energy on this matter.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by dankboosh

You said Biden's quote had an impact on the jury. When presented with the fact that they did not hear it, you double down and said it did, because of other statements that other people said that weren't Biden... how does that make any sense? Just admit you were wrong.

I agree that the cop that shot Ma'Khia Bryant (they have names you know) was reacting to a situation. She was attacking someone with a knife, and he took action. I do not believe it was based in racism or anything like that. I do believe there should be a way to diffuse that situation without shooting to kill. That's gives credence to the idea that police need more and better training.

Rittenhouse is a fucking murderer, but I know you love defending him.

Why did you put the word jogger in quotations? His fucking name is Ahmaud Arbery. He was simply jogging and he was murdered by two racist shitstains. You put jogger in quotes because you don't give a fuck about his life, because you're a fucking racist yourself. Fuck all your blathering about fake news and all that bullshit, that alone if nothing else your retarded hands have typed, proves you are a piece of shit racist and your opinions mean less than nothing.

Fuck you.

Brilliantly stated.

[dankboosh]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma

Brilliantly stated.

Thank you

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Desert Rat

I'm not ignoring that. I do know for a fact the process that vets potential jurors is very thorough. If anyone could have handled sitting on a jury in this case, it is these 12 in this case. That much I am confident in. Why? Because if the Jurors really gave a fuck about what everyone else thought, they knew they would lose either way. Either they'd be racists, or they'd be race-baited pussies who tapped to blm. What makes you think they gave a fuck either way anyways?







The names of the Jurors would be released at the pleasure of the presiding Judge. The Judiciary chills the media all the time for all cases.

Otherwise, I agree. The floyd riots would have been a bbq compared to the thankfully avoided chauvin riots. But that's another issue really. They are going to riot anyways, Chauvin just gave them an excuse.

I'm not speaking to the jurors having any bias, or went into the trial knowing what they wanted to do. I'm saying the obvious, there's no way they didn't feel pressure to convict. And that is wrong, that itself is wrong. Even if we all pretend it had no affect on their decision, the pressure being there is wrong.

And you're being dishonest. Like the state scoured the state to find the very best jurors. They were randomly selected. And they are people just like everyone else. They have bias just as you do. The defense only gets to say no to a certain number of people. Not too mention you're basically trying to find people who don't have opinions on the biggest news stories of the last 5 or 6 years.

It's nearly impossible to find a unbiased jury in most court cases. So I'm not speaking to their bias, because that's a given. I think anyone who says they didn't have enormous pressure to find him guilty is just being dishonest snd showing their bias.

What if the only difference was the pressure? What if there were violent protest because Chauvin was arrested. Constant "news" about how great a guy Chauvin is, and how bad Floyd was. Thousands of people marching and chanting outside the courthouse, going on TV saying if the jury doesn't acquit the city will burn. Politicians showing their support of Chauvin being innocent. The city pays Chauvin 27 million dollars for wrongful arrest.

What do you think the Jury would have come back with then?


And I'm sure the Judiciary wouldn't have released their names. But you really believe that their names wouldn't have been released anyway? It's not like the jury was known by their family, their co-workers, neighbors maybe. And those people tell someone who tells someone else. I wouldn't feel secure that nobody will know my name. Hundreds of people see you walk into that courthouse everyday.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by dankboosh

This guy is Soja 2.0.

They should jerk each other off while telling each other how right they always are.

Is that what you do? Not a very thoughtful person are you? Not a independent thought to be found in your little noggin.

I used to be like you. Just a blind follower, the democrat party used to tell me what to think and how to feel at too. And one day you will probably wake up too.

[Desert Rat]

Originally Posted by niknik

I'm not speaking to the jurors having any bias, or went into the trial knowing what they wanted to do. I'm saying the obvious, there's no way they didn't feel pressure to convict. And that is wrong, that itself is wrong. Even if we all pretend it had no affect on their decision, the pressure being there is wrong.

I know you’re not presuming they had a forward agenda. I know that because the jurors were vetted. Regardless, pressure came from both sides. The extreme-right responds with violence as well. If any effect from anybody can be proven, the Chauvin defense can argue those on appeal.

Originally Posted by niknik

And you're being dishonest. Like the state scoured the state to find the very best jurors. They were randomly selected. And they are people just like everyone else. They have bias just as you do. The defense only gets to say no to a certain number of people. Not too mention you're basically trying to find people who don't have opinions on the biggest news stories of the last 5 or 6 years.

Maybe. In your defense, Judge Cahill said

I don't think there is any place in the state of Minnesota that has not been subjected to extreme amounts of publicity on this case.

Cahill then made his decision to proceed in Minneapolis anyways. Again, the appellate process can examine this decision and consider, in light of evidence, if the jury was compromised. I accept the process, which can be slow. If I eat crow in the future, so be it.

Originally Posted by niknik

It's nearly impossible to find a unbiased jury in most court cases. So I'm not speaking to their bias, because that's a given. I think anyone who says they didn't have enormous pressure to find him guilty is just being dishonest snd showing their bias.

Any bias should have been uncovered by the Defense during jury selection. Perhaps you should have represented Chauvin?

At any rate, I believe juror bias matters less than the content of the arguments before them. The Judge will always advise on matter of Law (check out the Jury Instructions). So it’s really a matter of convincing the jury. In my opinion, Chauvin’s defense did a horrendous job countering the prosecution. Maybe because Chauvin was actually guilty? Highly possible.

Originally Posted by niknik

What if the only difference was the pressure? What if there were violent protest because Chauvin was arrested. Constant "news" about how great a guy Chauvin is, and how bad Floyd was. Thousands of people marching and chanting outside the courthouse, going on TV saying if the jury doesn't acquit the city will burn. Politicians showing their support of Chauvin being innocent. The city pays Chauvin 27 million dollars for wrongful arrest.

What do you think the Jury would have come back with then?

A speculative analog? How does speculation prove your point?

Originally Posted by niknik

And I'm sure the Judiciary wouldn't have released their names. But you really believe that their names wouldn't have been released anyway? It's not like the jury was known by their family, their co-workers, neighbors maybe. And those people tell someone who tells someone else. I wouldn't feel secure that nobody will know my name. Hundreds of people see you walk into that courthouse everyday.

Smells like paranoia. I doubt anyone will risk indefinite detention for leaking juror information. I also assume anyone stout enough to weather jury selection interviews would also be stout enough to handle public criticism.

[MeMyselfandI]

Originally Posted by dankboosh

You put jogger in quotes because you don't give a fuck about his life, because you're a fucking racist yourself. Fuck all your blathering about fake news and all that bullshit, that alone if nothing else your retarded hands have typed, proves you are a piece of shit racist and your opinions mean less than nothing.

Fuck you.

Game.. niknik

[dankboosh]

Originally Posted by niknik

Is that what you do? Not a very thoughtful person are you? Not a independent thought to be found in your little noggin.

I used to be like you. Just a blind follower, the democrat party used to tell me what to think and how to feel at too. And one day you will probably wake up too.

You were never like me, because I'm not a goddamn racist.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by dankboosh

You were never like me, because I'm not a goddamn racist.

You must have the patience of a saint to keep interacting with Soja 2, he argues for the sake of it when plain irrefutable facts are placed in front of him. I find that kind of persona one-dimensional and void of any real intellect. I have zero patience for such people.

[dankboosh]

Originally Posted by Steve

You must have the patience of a saint to keep interacting with Soja 2, he argues for the sake of it when plain irrefutable facts are placed in front of him. I find that kind of persona one-dimensional and void of any real intellect. I have zero patience for such people.

Part of me feels like these kind of people need to be reminded of how low and idiotic they are, but you're right. When they're as far gone as this moron is, there is no hope or reasoning and they're better off being ignored.