[bliss]

Originally Posted by The Tarnished ↗

I'm ex-military and carried a side arm on a regular basis while serving. Carrying a gun does NOT make me feel safer. If anything, it makes me feel like a target. If an active shooter appears and I draw my gun, there's a huge chance I'm going to be shot by the shooter or the police when they arrive on scene. It's happened before. When the police get there, they don't know who is supposedly the "good" guy. They just see another asshole with a gun standing in the middle of a bunch of corpses and blood.

Carrying a gun everyday is very stressful and the idea that the solution to this problem lies in expecting average citizens to walk around strapped all the time is laughable. It's a huge burden and most people aren't going to do it. The ones that do take on a massive amount of risk. That's the unvarnished reality.

“Veterans” like you are what’s wrong.

You’re part of the problem

[Knowbody]

I mean as long as your deep concealed you're not anymore a target than anyone else.

If you choose, again choose to engage then yea you open yourself up.


If you indeed have a way out, take it. Don't try to be a hero... But if that mfer drew a knife or a gun in that back aisle5i would've been dead fucking meat... That absolutely helpless feeling is terrifying...

Like hitting your brakes on ice....

I'd rather have it just incase.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by Nofreakinwaydude ↗

To answer your question: I used to never really care about guns other than reforming the law to remove easy access to them, but lately everytime I go out I think about how safer I'd feel with one.

Generally speaking, your recent feelings are deeply incorrect. Dozens and dozens of credible studies across decades of gun ownership in America have consistently determined that simply owning a gun vastly increases the odds of you or a family member dying by firearm violence.

Actually carrying a gun increases your odds of being shot if you are assaulted by 4.5 times, according to the American Public Health Association. Your odds of being shot in the assault increase to 5.5 times if you manage to pull it during the confrontation. The takeaway there is that people carrying guns tend to act stupider and riskier than people who are unarmed.


Don't let the disproportionate number of ammosexuals ranting on this site get you all lathered up. The gun lobby uses Fear as its primary pressure tactic to bait Americans into buying more guns. Owning and carrying a gun does NOT make you safer. It just increases the odds that you or someone close to you will die, whether that is by suicide, accident, or assault. It's an incontrovertible fact backed by a ridiculous amount of data from unbiased studies.

And yes, of course some civilians DO manage to successfully defend themselves and others with firearms. But far more of them wind up directly or indirectly getting themselves or a loved one killed.

[The Tarnished]

Originally Posted by bliss ↗

“Veterans” like you are what’s wrong.

You’re part of the problem

Opinions are like assholes, my friend. I was just sharing my honest opinion based on my personal experience with firearms.

I invaded Iraq for this country full of dipshits like you. Using firearms in an actual war against actual people is probably the best way to become jaded on the subject. I regret participating in that travesty of a war every fucking day.

[Cre_AK47]

Originally Posted by Shetland ↗

This is the catch though, if no one had guns then people wouldn’t need to carry one to feel safe.

Haha. 3D printer goes brrrrr... Now the bad guy has a gun again and you're defenseless. Back to square one

[Cre_AK47]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Owning and carrying a gun does NOT make you safer. It just increases the odds that you or someone close to you will die, whether that is by suicide, accident, or assault. It's an incontrovertible fact backed by a ridiculous amount of data from unbiased studies.

Either way, America is way too deep in it's unique gun culture and the culture in general has CERTAINLY changed versus in the 80's. You used to own machine guns pre May 1986 yet you didn't hear some kid shooting up a school with an M16 often, if it all. All I know is the media is going to make this their news cycle 24/7, while a similar tragedy with a driver in an SUV killing the same number of people as the shooter, will be buried as wanting to ban high speed inducing stroads beside many places of human activity or restricting/banning heavy vehicles like SUVs, is not a narrative they can spin on the public, even though it's a similar discussion to be had, like gun control, that results in countless preventable deaths every year.

[SideRow]

Originally Posted by bliss ↗

“Veterans” like you are what’s wrong.

You’re part of the problem

The fuck…?

[Patriotpride16t]

Originally Posted by WindsofWoe22 ↗

What a find bro. Making this ol DR vet look like a rookie. Weird how the dash cam car was backing away before the shooter even got out. Kid covered in blood survived the shooting in the aftermath video as well. He's sitting on the right of the screen for a brief second.

Wasn’t a dash cam. It was a rear cam!

[Nofreakinwaydude]

I have nothing but utmost respect for our veterans and servicemembers. You guys take an oath to the constitution of our sovereign nation and you guys actually follow it with duty and honor. You serve the people and you do it knowing why and for what reasons. Because of this I wholly respect what you say here. You're a professional weapons wielder.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by The Tarnished ↗

I'm ex-military (US) and carried a side arm on a regular basis while serving. Carrying a gun does NOT make me feel safer. If anything, it makes me feel like a target. If an active shooter appears and I draw my gun, there's a huge chance I'm going to be shot by the shooter or the police when they arrive on scene. It's happened many times before. When the police get there, they don't know who is supposedly the "good" guy. They just see another asshole with a gun standing in the middle of a bunch of corpses and blood.

Carrying a gun everyday is very stressful and the idea that the solution to this problem lies in expecting average citizens to walk around strapped all the time is laughable. It's a huge burden and most people aren't going to do it. The ones that do take on a massive amount of risk. That's the unvarnished reality.

I've seen heavily trained, responsible gun owners make the dumbest mistakes. Here's a couple random examples:

A gun shop OWNER shooting his own balls off in the store while appendix carrying:

https://concealednation.org/2018/06/...e-or-accident/

A retired Marine negligently discharging in a gun shop:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l9mq4DDj0-c

Also, there's a chance the cops could freak out on you simply for the audacity of having a CCW:

[jintsy]

Must have been an Uvalde cop in that pick up taking off