[civilizedisamyth]

Hey everyone. been gone awhile. Strictly speaking from a weapons manipulation only perspective I was Impressed at the hit the cop scored in the center chest in the very first of the fight. Goes to show what training will do for you. That round was probably a fatal wound in and of itself, but it took the rest of the rounds fired to perforate the bad guy enough times to end the fight immediately. Punch enough holes, BP drops, oxygenated blood stops going to the brain, bad guy DRT. Whether you like cops or not, this was EXCELLENT performance under fire, cop had probably finished clearing leather before he finished saying "Oh Shit". The bad guy probably thought he would just take them out quick with firepower, but he obviously had ZERO training. The look on his face when the first hit(center chest) happened told volumes. Knock Knock, this is reality calling, this shit AIN'T a video game. I didn't see any head or pelvic hits, though. If he had been wearing even soft armor, against service pistols, this might have been a VERY different outcome. I don't think this was suicide by cop, though. Just a moron who had planned something worse, and the cops stopped him on the way. And by the way, I own a bunch of firearms, lifetime NRA member. And I'm glad this came out with the good guys on top. That asshole opened fire with a rifle in a residential area. He could have killed a bunch of people other than those two cops, bullets going through a window or wall. And I DO NOT trust the government either. If they come to my house to confiscate(steal) my arms, that's one thing, BUT, I won't go start trouble. THIS asshole was on his way to do something bad. Just my uninformed opinion because I wasn't there.

[Xeperiset]

That's what I don't get. People are freaking out saying "they want to take my guns," and doing stupid shit because "rabble rabble, revolution, rabble" but nobody wants to take any guns.

Make it harder to get certain ones, yes. More indepth background checks yes, but when you open fire on cops and act like a dumbshit you kinda force people to do something to solve it.

People like this guy are making the situation worse, not better, how do they not see that.

[civilizedisamyth]

Xeperisit Totally agree with you on this guy being a dumbshit. Disagree on the simple truth that it does not matter what you do in the lawbook, criminals will do whatever they want to whomever they want until someone stops them. The ONLY thing this moron and myself have in common is we both own a semi-auto ak variant. The whole "make it harder to get certain ones" argument is flawed in that criminals obey no law, so no deterrent, so it will do no good. No one here on this forum knows this idiot's reasons, because they weren't there, and only offer emotion based argument in place of logic (not so much talking about you, but there are some here I suspect like to troll in search of a reaction). You already get background checked whenever you buy from a dealer, that has been happening for years. The expanded background checks bill had nothing to do with firearms, that was just the pretty package it was wrapped in. It had to do with ever-increasing government encroachment into the privacy of the people, and that is plain wrong. The simple fact is that the Constitution of The United States states CLEARLY: Shall Not Be Infringed. I guess back then lawyers weren't as slippery as they are now, or they would have been more specific. Not regulated, taxed out of reach of the poorest man, banned from importation, restricted from ownership, being denied from carrying on your person. All of those things are infringement and they are all invalid law. I know two different people in my circle of friends, who have their carry permits, but when they come time to renew, they are not going to. Not going to stop carrying, though. That scene in Boston with over a thousand militarized cops pulling people from their homes at gunpoint, rolling armor in the streets, and all for nothing. ALL the photos and tape were provided by private citizens. That cut it for a lot of us here where I live. If anyone really thinks that all these people buying guns at record rates these past months(Dec. 12, 2012 there were 425,000 instant firearms purchase checks THAT DAY, and DHS having bought 450 MILLION rounds of hollow point ammunition) will just give them away because the president(?) told them to then they are living in a dream world. I don't like the idea of any kind of armed conflict but I would be a fool to not see it coming.

[Impotent Rage]

Originally Posted by civilizedisamyth ↗

That scene in Boston with over a thousand militarized cops pulling people from their homes at gunpoint, rolling armor in the streets, and all for nothing. ALL the photos and tape were provided by private citizens. That cut it for a lot of us here where I live.

I understand that and empathise but it doesn't help me understand where you're coming from:

I don't "get" how you could ever foresee armed conflict between citizens and the state in America.

If it came to a breaking point where there was an armed uprising in the States, I think the gun toting citizens would be annihilated rather extensively - but that is actually besides the point...r

From what I've seen, there's very little evidence of political will to address the situation you describe. I may be wrong, please correct me if I am.

There was a political wing to each faction in the likes of Syria, Egypt, Ireland, Palestine and Spain (to name but a few) where there has been armed or terrorist, as it would be labelled, conflict against the state.

In lieu of a political movement, the threat or action of violence is certainly no more than terrorism. Also, what is the point of contention? The right to bear arms or more general oppression from the Government?

I've been trying to understand the somewhat frantic support for American's right to bear arms for a while now and I really want to see where people are coming from with this but all it looks like is rednecks and wannabe cowboys.

[UGADawg08]

Originally Posted by dayglohylite ↗

Total douche. So proud of your guns. Fuck you

At least he has something to be proud of. You Eurofag pussies let your government walk all over your fundamental rights back in 1998. Have fun defending yourselves against criminals that still have guns (because criminals don't follow gun laws) when your government thinks you're too stupid to handle them yourself. You have nothing to be smug about, and I know that on the inside, you wish you could own the tools to defend yourself against the tens of thousands of crazed, armed criminals that still exist in your country.

I swear - the Left is just delusional.

[UGADawg08]

Originally Posted by xebat ↗

Im so fucking jealous of you !
I HATE IT THAT THIS FUCKING SHITHOLE OF A COUNTRY THAT I LIVE IN , has not so awesome gun laws like the U.S.
I hope my a miracle happens in my life so i can get to live in AMERICA !

I hope so too, man. I'm sorry that your countrymen gave up this fundamental right. And unfortunately, our government gives priority to the 13 million illegal immigrants from Mexico over intelligent, English-speaking immigrants like you who would probably come here legally. My Norwegian friend had that problem, and he's fluent in English and has a rare skill (pilot and flight instructor) that should ensure him quick citizenship, but the administration would rather give amnesty to criminals.

I'd be proud to call you a fellow American someday, and I'd even take you to a shooting range if you lived nearby.

[Martano666]

Originally Posted by AmericanIllusions ↗

Just left the range yesterday with my new M&P AR. I was getting millimeter groups much further away then this guy was. In other words, had he aimed or really wanted to kill those cops, it wouldn't have been hard. He also looks to be firing a .308. Nasty round

Wow, sounds like you've spent your life in a very productive way. Nobody is impressed by 'guns' except those with low IQ's. If it doesn't have a button you can push, and if it doesn't make a 'bang' it's no fun for the window lickers. Enjoy your useless and destructive life. You know...."be all that you can be". lol. Dummies.

[Martano666]

Originally Posted by UGADawg08 ↗

At least he has something to be proud of. You Eurofag pussies let your government walk all over your fundamental rights back in 1998. Have fun defending yourselves against criminals that still have guns (because criminals don't follow gun laws) when your government thinks you're too stupid to handle them yourself. You have nothing to be smug about, and I know that on the inside, you wish you could own the tools to defend yourself against the tens of thousands of crazed, armed criminals that still exist in your country.

I swear - the Left is just delusional.

Well, that's all nice to think, but the facts are the facts. Countries like America, have much higher murder rates than those that have stricter gun laws. It's because only idiots actually care to walk around with a gun under their jacket. Intelligent people are out designing buildings, and inventing new technologies and curing diseases, while the rest of the idiots "go huntin" cuz that's ma gawd given' right".

[Martano666]

You know, maybe I'm wrong about the need for the decent Americans to carry guns. I'm thankful that I live in Canada, where I can peacefully stroll anywhere I like without fear of being shot, and without fear that my government will try to oppress me or execute me. I don't know what it's actually like to live in America. I only know what everyone else is saying. It seems that America is a much more dangerous country to live in than Canada according to the pro-gun enthusiasts. A HUGE portion of the population seems to think that the government is going to turn on them and start executing innocent citizens at random, and they also think that they are surrounded by lunatics that could potential attack them at any time. I see no need to visit America until it's safe to walk around without a gun, since I have NEVER touched a real gun in my life, and have never been in a situation where I needed one. It's seems so bizarre to me that people give a shit about being able to carry a gun on them in public. It most certainly is not necessary around here, and it actually seems pointless. I don't know what the gun would be needed for. It would be more likely to accidentally injure someone than for it to be needed in 'self defence'.

A perfect example of the problem that I have with guns is the "George Zimmerman" case in Florida.

[Martano666]

Then again, a lot of those same Americans believe in:
-Ghosts
-Psychics
-Bigfoot
-Alien Abductions
-Jesus
& many more things that are clearly imaginary due to zero peer reviewed papers on any of these matters. So maybe it's part of American culture to believe in all kinds of weird conspiracies that the rest of the world laughs at.