[mirrorseyes]

Originally Posted by AmericanIllusions ↗

Just left the range yesterday with my new M&P AR. I was getting millimeter groups much further away then this guy was. In other words, had he aimed or really wanted to kill those cops, it wouldn't have been hard. He also looks to be firing a .308. Nasty round

did you group shooting from the hip against 2 armored cops? then stfu and pull your head out of your ass before you speak

[30564U]

Originally Posted by Tantrix ↗

You're missing the point...he didn't care if he killed them or not, and I'd also suspect that wasn't really his intention since it wouldn't have been hard. Just about any plain hunting rifle in the world will go straight through a policeman's vest like butter, it doesn't take an AR-15, AK variant, or any of those. Point is, he fired toward them to provoke them into killing him.

Who cares if he wanted the officers to shoot him? So what...he opened his car door, pulled out a semi-auto AK47 clone, and opened fire on two uniformed police officers. He was a nut, a loose cannon, a wackjob, a dickhead, a malcontent, who cares? Why is it that the more liberal among us always want to know what was going through the bad guy's mind? Who cares...shoot the sonofabitch! The thing about this situation was why it took so long for the officers to open fire on the guy...there are no rules here, he has a gun, in fact a rather large gun...shoot him now! The bad guy put up quite a fight and fought to take the officer's rounds without falling...he was determined to kill those two officers. The fact that he sucked as a gunman is beside the point. The AK platform is a hearty gun, but it takes the right ammo and technique to get good accuracy. Granted, at those short ranges, he should have killed both officers within seconds...if he had had the experience/training with his rifle. In this case, thank God, he was poorly trained and the good guys won. This has nothing to do with gun control andeverything to do with idiot control.

[the hawk]

Originally Posted by Tantrix ↗

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Originally Posted by Martano666 View Post
Well, that's all nice to think, but the facts are the facts. Countries like America, have much higher murder rates than those that have stricter gun laws. It's because only idiots actually care to walk around with a gun under their jacket. Intelligent people are out designing buildings, and inventing new technologies and curing diseases, while the rest of the idiots "go huntin" cuz that's ma gawd given' right".


Tantrix: Apparently you went full retard in that post, the U.K. has very strict gun laws and yet they have more violent crimes than the U.S.

Yeah sure. There are more violent crimes in the UK than there are in the US... -_-

Do me a favour! More than 3 times the amount of people in the US are killed each year per 100,000 citizens than are killed in a year in Britain. And before you start, I'm not just talking about nut jobs commiting homicides, I'm talking about people that are killed. And that's not even taking into consideration the law in the US that states if you kill someone in self defence, it's not even a murder. Granted, they probably got what was coming to them, but is that really not a murder? I mean, they're dead. You killed them. Murdered them. It's a murder. Yet it wouldn't be classified as a murder because of the law.

Not to mention the hundreds of people gunned down by the police. Are they classified as murders? Nope.

Yet even still with these law the US's murder rate is 3 times that of the UK's per 100,000 citizens. Imagine if all those self defences and police shootings were classified as murders too. It would be considerably higher than is reported now.

So

Originally Posted by Tantrix ↗

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martano666 View Post
Well, that's all nice to think, but the facts are the facts. Countries like America, have much higher murder rates than those that have stricter gun laws. It's because only idiots actually care to walk around with a gun under their jacket. Intelligent people are out designing buildings, and inventing new technologies and curing diseases, while the rest of the idiots "go huntin" cuz that's ma gawd given' right".


Tantrix: Apparently you went full retard in that post, the U.K. has very strict gun laws and yet they have more violent crimes than the U.S.

Yeah sure. There are more violent crimes in the UK than there are in the US... -_-

Do me a favour! More than 3 times the amount of people in the US are killed each year per 100,000 citizens than are killed in a year in Britain. And before you start, I'm not just talking about nut jobs commiting homicides, I'm talking about people that are killed. And that's not even taking into consideration the law in the US that states if you kill someone in self defence, it's not even a murder. Granted, they probably got what was coming to them, but is that really not a murder? I mean, they're dead. You killed them. Murdered them. It's a murder. Yet it wouldn't be classified as a murder because of the law.

Not to mention the hundreds of people gunned down by the police. Are they classified as murders? Nope.

Yet even still with these law the US's murder rate is 3 times that of the UK's per 100,000 citizens. Imagine if all those self defences and police shootings were classified as murders too. It would be considerably higher than is reported now.

So

Originally Posted by Tantrix ↗

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martano666 View Post
Well, that's all nice to think, but the facts are the facts. Countries like America, have much higher murder rates than those that have stricter gun laws. It's because only idiots actually care to walk around with a gun under their jacket. Intelligent people are out designing buildings, and inventing new technologies and curing diseases, while the rest of the idiots "go huntin" cuz that's ma gawd given' right".


Tantrix: Apparently you went full retard in that post, the U.K. has very strict gun laws and yet they have more violent crimes than the U.S.

Yeah sure. There are more violent crimes in the UK than there are in the US... -_-


What exactly are you basing that fact on???

Do me a favour! More than 3 times the amount of people in the US are killed each year per 100,000 citizens than are killed in a year in Britain. And before you start, I'm not just talking about nut jobs commiting homicides, I'm talking about people that are killed. And that's not even taking into consideration the law in the US that states if you kill someone in self defence, it's not even a murder. Granted, they probably got what was coming to them, but is that really not a murder? I mean, they're dead. You killed them. Murdered them. It's a murder. Yet it wouldn't be classified as a murder because of the law.

Not to mention the hundreds of people gunned down by the police. Are they classified as murders? Nope.

Yet even still with these law the US's murder rate is 3 times that of the UK's per 100,000 citizens. Imagine if all those self defences and police shootings were classified as murders too. It would be considerably higher than is reported now.

Martano666's original point of more guns=more murders is pretty much spot on. Not just America though. When there are countries where angry motherfuckers can just walk in to a shop and buy a gun, motherfuckers get killed, regardless of the country.

[the hawk]

ok not sure why that posted 3 times.

[30564U]

Originally Posted by the hawk ↗

ok not sure why that posted 3 times.

Wow...how about looking at the population counts for both countries. Seeing how the US has a substantially higher population that the UK, wouldn't it be likely that we would also have a higher murder rate? Not to mention a higher minority population, higher impoverished population, higher immigrant population, higher criminal population, higher incarceration, etc.?

[30564U]

Originally Posted by the hawk ↗

Yeah sure. There are more violent crimes in the UK than there are in the US... -_-

Do me a favour! More than 3 times the amount of people in the US are killed each year per 100,000 citizens than are killed in a year in Britain. And before you start, I'm not just talking about nut jobs commiting homicides, I'm talking about people that are killed. And that's not even taking into consideration the law in the US that states if you kill someone in self defence, it's not even a murder. Granted, they probably got what was coming to them, but is that really not a murder? I mean, they're dead. You killed them. Murdered them. It's a murder. Yet it wouldn't be classified as a murder because of the law.

Not to mention the hundreds of people gunned down by the police. Are they classified as murders? Nope.

Yet even still with these law the US's murder rate is 3 times that of the UK's per 100,000 citizens. Imagine if all those self defences and police shootings were classified as murders too. It would be considerably higher than is reported now.

So

Yeah sure. There are more violent crimes in the UK than there are in the US... -_-

Do me a favour! More than 3 times the amount of people in the US are killed each year per 100,000 citizens than are killed in a year in Britain. And before you start, I'm not just talking about nut jobs commiting homicides, I'm talking about people that are killed. And that's not even taking into consideration the law in the US that states if you kill someone in self defence, it's not even a murder. Granted, they probably got what was coming to them, but is that really not a murder? I mean, they're dead. You killed them. Murdered them. It's a murder. Yet it wouldn't be classified as a murder because of the law.

Not to mention the hundreds of people gunned down by the police. Are they classified as murders? Nope.

Yet even still with these law the US's murder rate is 3 times that of the UK's per 100,000 citizens. Imagine if all those self defences and police shootings were classified as murders too. It would be considerably higher than is reported now.

So

Yeah sure. There are more violent crimes in the UK than there are in the US... -_-


What exactly are you basing that fact on???

Do me a favour! More than 3 times the amount of people in the US are killed each year per 100,000 citizens than are killed in a year in Britain. And before you start, I'm not just talking about nut jobs commiting homicides, I'm talking about people that are killed. And that's not even taking into consideration the law in the US that states if you kill someone in self defence, it's not even a murder. Granted, they probably got what was coming to them, but is that really not a murder? I mean, they're dead. You killed them. Murdered them. It's a murder. Yet it wouldn't be classified as a murder because of the law.

Not to mention the hundreds of people gunned down by the police. Are they classified as murders? Nope.

Yet even still with these law the US's murder rate is 3 times that of the UK's per 100,000 citizens. Imagine if all those self defences and police shootings were classified as murders too. It would be considerably higher than is reported now.

Martano666's original point of more guns=more murders is pretty much spot on. Not just America though. When there are countries where angry motherfuckers can just walk in to a shop and buy a gun, motherfuckers get killed, regardless of the country.

Oh yea...another well intentioned Limey preaching the benefits of civilian disarmament and reliance on big government and the police for protection. That isn't what your country was saying during the Battle Britian, when your government was begging...yes begging, American gun owners to send personal firearms to your country so you could defend yourselves from an impending Nazi invasion...because your people allowed your own government to take away your firearms. Freemen are armed, subjects are not...that's very simple phrase, but a very powerful one. The fact that monarchies dislike private weapons ownership goes back many centuries and I'm afraid that British tradition has continued to this day. I hope to God there is never another time when Britian is threatened by outside forces...but if there is, I'm positive that Americans will once again rally and send our privately owned firearms to once again bail out our greatest allies and friends. I just wish you folks would learn from history. Private gun ownership is not the problem...in fact, there are quite a few studies that show that more guns in a community (owned and carried) actually significantly lowers the overall crime rate. The other interesting thing, is that where ever there is onerous gun control in America, there is massively higher violent crime...ie, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Washington DC, etc. Just to name a few...if gun control's so great an idea, why is that?

[Tantrix]

Originally Posted by the hawk ↗

Yeah sure. There are more violent crimes in the UK than there are in the US... -_-

Do me a favour! More than 3 times the amount of people in the US are killed each year per 100,000 citizens than are killed in a year in Britain. And before you start, I'm not just talking about nut jobs commiting homicides, I'm talking about people that are killed. And that's not even taking into consideration the law in the US that states if you kill someone in self defence, it's not even a murder. Granted, they probably got what was coming to them, but is that really not a murder? I mean, they're dead. You killed them. Murdered them. It's a murder. Yet it wouldn't be classified as a murder because of the law.

Are you serious? Did you just imply that self-defense of your life is still murder, just because of the laws?? You must be on some very special medication.

[the hawk]

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

Wow...how about looking at the population counts for both countries. Seeing how the US has a substantially higher population that the UK, wouldn't it be likely that we would also have a higher murder rate? Not to mention a higher minority population, higher impoverished population, higher immigrant population, higher criminal population, higher incarceration, etc.?

The statistics are based on the number of murders per 100,000 citizens of the given country which gives a rate.

In 2011 the the UK had a rate of 1.0 murders per 100,000 people.
In 2012 the US had a rate of 4.8 murders per 100,000 people.

[30564U]

Originally Posted by Tantrix ↗

Are you serious? Did you just imply that self-defense of your life is still murder, just because of the laws?? You must be on some very special medication.

I caught that too, but was so flabbergasted by the other statements I just couldn't figure out how to comment. The anti-gun ignorance is getting to stupid to fathom. Yup, murder is the same as killing. I guess he's just a very religious guy and feels it's morally wrong to kill another human? Who knows...the anti's jack with statistics and lie so much it'd take a dozen professional researchers, a lawyer, and a statistician to figure out what their talking about. I don't know what gives someone living in another country the idea that he/she should comment on laws or other things going on in another country to the degree that the Brits comment on America's gun control issue. Of all the countries that should be ashamed of themselves for disarmament. And look at Europe, another bunch of self righteous pinheads...the same group that brought the world WWI, WWII, Hitler, Mussilini, Franco, Vichy, Soviet Bolshevism, to name but a few. We should all run our governments like they have...cause that's worked out so well for the rest of the world. Yes...civilian disarmament sure works wonders...to put dictators in office and not be able to remove them.

[30564U]

Originally Posted by the hawk ↗

The statistics are based on the number of murders per 100,000 citizens of the given country which gives a rate.

In 2011 the the UK had a rate of 1.0 murders per 100,000 people.
In 2012 the US had a rate of 4.8 murders per 100,000 people.

Why is it a good idea for you to comment on an internal issue in America that you're clearly culturally not going to understand? Did any American on this site make a disparaging comment regarding Britian's internal immigration issues? Or welfare issues? Or the Dutches of Winsor's bare bottom (and by the way...you guys got a couple of good ones with both of them and Harry...they're a breath of fresh air)? It just seems like your poking your head into something you haven't a clue about.