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06-18-2014, 09:01 PM
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Re: Suicide by Cop Like a BOSS
You'd still have killed someone was my point. Those people killed won't be added to the statistics because it's not classed as murder, but they still would have died as a result. I know your laws over there about that are pretty lax which in my opinion is a good thing in the right circumstances. We do have some stupid fucking laws over here, for instance, about 7 years ago some 18 year old kid was getting jacked and beaten up by a local thug, so he fought back and managed to catch the guy with a sweet right hand that dropped him like a sack of shit. The kid ran off and the thug died of a brain haemorrhage shortly after. It was all caught on CCTV and he was tried and found guilty of manslaughter and given 6 years. Fucking sucks right.
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#212
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06-18-2014, 09:09 PM
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Yeah fair enough I guess. Although in my defence, American gun control laws are actually quite a hot topic for the news over here. We get a lot of your news. There's probably just as much news on the TV each day about what Obama is doing as there is about our own Prime Minister, David fucking Cameron. The spoon faced cunt. I hate that jumped up twat. Bellend.
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#213
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06-18-2014, 09:25 PM
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Re: Suicide by Cop Like a BOSS
Yeah, you're right...you'd still have killed someone. However, I think if anything (even more importantly than gun laws) is the right to self-defense. That is, although denied in many parts of the world...a right you are born with. Nobody, anywhere, should be forced to give up and die rather than fight back.
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06-18-2014, 09:57 PM
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Re: Suicide by Cop Like a BOSS
I think the American gun control issue is something that's difficult for most Brits to understand. Our American gun culture started when wevformed as a country during British rule. America was a very wild and hostile place...we had private firearms and used them quite liberally against animal and Indian alike. With later British rule, and as a result of our revolutionary tendencies, British rule attempted (and rightly so) to limit firearms and ammunition to counter the civilian insurgency. Americans learned very quickly that to overthrow an illegal (or unpopular) government you needed the unrestricted ownership of firearms and ammunition. Our army was a civilian insurgency army that, much like modern day Switzerland, mobilized from their homes or work places directly to battle. As a direct result of our war with Britin, the American Constitution has a legal guaranteed right of private firearms possession and ownership. This right has nothing to do with hunting, personal protection, or target shooting...it has everything to do with an armed populace that, in theory, can throw out an illegal government and stop an invasion by a foreign government. Most Americans have a very strong deepseeded belief in self reliance and self protection. Owning a firearm (and now carrying a firearm...whether openly or concealed) is considered to be a very smart thing to do to counter random criminal activity. Our fascination with firearms goes very deep and is quite ingrained in our hunting culture, shooting culture, sporting culture, and self protection culture...we think of it as a symbol of our freedom. Gun control is associated with liberalism, big government, weakness on crime, and a neutering of our right to protect ourselves. American has been, since it's founding, a place where rugged individualists are made and nurtured and the firearm goes right along with that self perception. I hope this helps you understand our gun culture a little bit better. By the way, thanks for taking that pompous twat Pierce Morgan off our hands.
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06-19-2014, 01:14 AM
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Re: Suicide by Cop Like a BOSS
It's a real shame that your country doesn't allow private ownership of firearms...they're really quite fun to shoot. It's not just Briton, but all of Europe...gun confiscation and a lack of privately owned firearms allowed Hitler to come to power and certainly contributed significantly to the wholesale killing of the Jews. As a retired police officer, I look at the so called smart gun technology as a farce. I carry a gun for my protection and the primary quality in a firearm for me is that it must go bang every time I pull the trigger no matter what. I don't think the smart gun will ever be a true reality. Besides, if it does...what are the gun control freaks going to complain about? They've just cut their own throats and thrown out a primary excuse to control firearms. I really think it's a waste of resources to continue with R&D. Like I said...I have very specific requirements for the guns I intend to carry. A lot of the gun/crime stats you see are squed. For example, many gun violence stats consider suicide with a firearm a gun violence stat, even though it was self inflected. When a police officer shoots and kills a bad guy, they count that...a legal killing, a gun violence stat. So if you exclude accidental shooting deaths, self inflicted shooting deaths, and officer involved shooting deaths, you might get a good stat. The left here in America have muddied the waters. Don't be fooled, the gun control folks don't give a rip about gun safety...it's all about control...just like any socialist, facist, communist, or other gun free government. They don't want anyone to have a gun because they want to remain in power. Disarm the people and they're easier to control. It a total nanny state control thing...it has nothing to do with safety, children, or violence reduction.
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06-20-2014, 04:12 PM
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Re: Suicide by Cop Like a BOSS
You can privately own certain firearms here in the UK, it's just the license is hard to obtain and very expensive as you need to have a good reason for having one. Like if you're a member of a hunting club which are mostly just for the upper class hoity toity types with big stately homes out in the countryside. There's really no need for the average Brit to have a firearm in my opinion. We laid down our arms long ago yeah we do live in a nanny state of sorts but all things considered I think it's better that guns aren't readily available. There's a lot of stupid people over here. I can imagine they are fun to shoot though. Paintballing is about the closest most people will get to shooting a gun over here  |
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06-20-2014, 04:29 PM
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Re: Suicide by Cop Like a BOSS
Here's my 5.56mm AR-15, military grade. It's never killed anything besides hundreds of wild hogs, which have fed my family for years. And people think I shouldn't own this weapon because it only exists "to kill people".  |
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06-21-2014, 03:07 AM
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Re: Suicide by Cop Like a BOSS
For years I avoided owning an AR, just because of all the controversy. I bought one for work a few years ago and the first time I took it apart I was amazed at the engineering genius of Eugene Stoner. The gun is elegant simplicity and you just can't hurt it...they continually remain on zero and function no matter the abuse. I love my DD M-4 with the Aimpoint...I used it with great success at work and I too have used it hunting wild pigs, deer (yup...deer with the right ammo), cougar, and scumbags. I am a true AR believer...the gun's amazing. I think if more folks shot one, they wouldn't be so scared of them.
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06-21-2014, 06:20 AM
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Re: Suicide by Cop Like a BOSS
I own many, many more firearms...but you're right, the AR platform is a beautiful thing. Speaking of, here's another pic...these are just what are in my bedroom at night when I sleep (along with the AR-15):  The AR-15 of course gets all the hate by the media and people that live in other countries that don't know guns. In reality, that 1st rifle there, the Marlin .45-70...is devastating compared to any AR-15. If I really wanted to hurt people, that would be the one to do it...not the "evil black rifle". Pretty much what I consider a tie with that one, is the 3rd gun...the Mossberg 500 12ga with 18" heavy-walled police barrel, factory-threaded for chokes. This gun is what will handle business if an intruder comes into my home uninvited...they will leave in a body bag, only 1 shot needed:  |
