[Spiffyfable]

Pro tip: Don't take a weapon if you want to protest police activity. A rational person would never need it as No Criminals would be stupid enough to start shit with so many police around... Opps

[goghingwilde]

Originally Posted by spyderguard ↗

I don't think it's an issue of whether standing and filming is legal or illegal. Of course it's legal.

The issue is whether standing, filming, yelling, signs, whistling, or, for that matter, even merely being in the vicinity of trigger-happy ICE officers, is SAFE OR UNSAFE. Clearly, in the current environment, it's unsafe, precisely because the agents are unprofessional, untrained, and on edge.

I care about the people getting harmed by these agents. And as I mentioned earlier, many of these agents are currently as dangerous as hungry grizzly bears. I wish folks can understand this so that they don't get killed unnecessarily.

By all means, let’s let the hungry grizzly bears take over a whole city, a whole country, even! They profile people, nearly killed a baby the other day with some gas, hurt people left and right— but hey, let’s all sit inside our houses and never rebel as we fall int fascism. After all you don’t wanna get hurt by the grizzly bear. Let’s let the grizzly bears do whatever the hell they want and not make a peep about it and just quietly shuffle off to the the side, or escape to a different country ourselves, and not do a thing.
What a bold point of view! A real spine of steel. Pragmatic, and a total pussy.

[Mr.NoCredit]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

That's because in most of recent history, they 'normally' don't just start executing US citizens over shit like blocking a lane of the road or standing in front of a woman they were physically assaulting and taking the burst of pepper spray that was meant for her.

This is STILL America, you dumb fucker. There are actual laws and regulations that specify when they are allowed to use lethal force. 'Getting in the way' DOES NOT FUCKING QUALIFY.

Stop trying to normalize it. You don't actually seem to be a full retard, so you HAVE to be able to see how normalizing this shit is complicity.

Normalizing the endless litany of abuses, illegalities, and absurdities perpetuated by this sham of an Administration is what got us here in the first place.

Stop trying to normalize this. Normalizing the endless abuses, illegalities, and outright absurdities coming from this administration isn’t neutrality—it’s complicity. That’s how we got here in the first place.

I remember a time when police shootings weren’t a regular headline. Then they started happening. Over time, people stopped being shocked. Now it’s treated like background noise. That’s normalization.

But let’s be honest about something else too: interfering with officers in the middle of an arrest has also somehow become “acceptable.” When did it become the responsibility of random citizens to physically impede law enforcement because they disagree in the moment?

If you don’t like how the system works, get involved the right way. Learn the law. Challenge it in court. Change policy. You do not stand in front of an officer during an arrest and expect there to be no consequences. That’s not activism—that’s escalation.

You don’t protest someone’s arrest while it’s actively happening.
“Hey officer, you shouldn’t be arresting that person!”
“If you don’t step back, you’re under arrest too.”
Person refuses. Things turn physical. Chaos follows. Bullets fly. End of story.

Officers today are already operating under extreme tension. They’re dealing with a public that often assumes the worst, and in many cases they’re being shouted at, shoved, or assaulted while doing their jobs. In that environment, fear escalates fast—especially when a weapon enters the picture.

You don’t challenge an officer in the field, regardless of how strongly you feel. They didn’t write the laws—they’re enforcing them. They’re the boots on the ground in a world where far too many people think provoking police is consequence-free.

It isn’t. And pretending otherwise is just another form of denial you dumb fucker.

[pervM]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

You're incorrect. There are tons of videos on Youtube that show law enforcement getting sassed on a regular basis, and ever since and even before the BLM movement, most of those ended with the perp on the ground, still alive.

And those perps received consequences after the fact. Thats my whole point. Throw sass at an officer, give him the excuse to take you to the slammer and you will walk out with a mark on your record and hefty fine on top.

What is so difficult for americans to understand that police are basically like bar bouncers but on the streets, they have the right to remove you from a street if you show any sign of aggression of uncompliance. Do you often go to a bar and start screaming at the bouncer the first step you take inside? Do you think it would be a smart thing to do?

[Doubleboop]

Am I the only one seeing that he has something in each hand right before he’s shot? It’s too small to be a phone, but it looks like a magazine in one hand and possibly a knife in the other? That would explain why they got off him so quick too. Not trying to justify either side of the argument here, it looked like a knife in one video, and in another it looked like right before he was shoot he made a motion similar to opening a folding knife. Personally I’d just stay home and not put myself in danger if I were him. I’m sure more info will come out. Curious if anyone else saw that or if I’m just imagining things.

[goghingwilde]

Originally Posted by chechnya ↗

Cool story but very stupid logic.

1. You don't know what your dad actually did for 30 years, even in a "violent city". Could have been a desk jockey or hung out in the back to avoid danger.

2. You're suggesting those who have discharged their service weapons are somehow not law enforcement officers?

3. You don't have to respect them but you sure as fuck are going to stay out of their way.

“Being in the way” it’s not an executable offense. These guys have completely let go of what law order is supposed to be. The terrorist tactics ice and border patrol and Department of homeland security are using are ridiculous, overblown, and just giant scare tactics. It has nothing to do with gathering up illegal immigrants. If it was about that they would be checking the paperwork of people they arrest instead of just randomly picking up people who are US citizens, legal residents, asylum applicants etc.

This is about exerting power over left wing cities. Did you not see that Pam Bondi send an extortion letter wanting the voter rolls of Minnesota?

By the way, being trigger happy is a problem it makes you an asshole who should never be given the privilege and duty of being an officer representing our government, supposedly being out there to protect the people of the United States. This isn’t protection. This is intimidation and in the case of veteran Nurse Alex Pretti, murder.

Good men and good officers can do their jobs of finding irregularities and compassionately deporting people without murdering US citizens, without using scare tactics that involve pepper spraying people just standing around with whistles and signs, ripping families apart, abusing and harming people left and right.

They are walking the streets of a US city like they’re in the middle of a war zone. They are treating everyone and everything like an enemy that must be snuffed out. It’s sick, it’s wrong, it’s un-American, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even a little bit defending it. You’re a lizard-brained cumstain, and the only reason I’m arguing with you is so that if there’s younger more impressionable people out there who are reading this shit, they might think twice about their stupid point of view and really think about is this what they want their country to look like.

Do we really want the active standing around and being obnoxious to be something that makes you get your teeth bashed in? Do we really want freedom of speech to me nothing? Is Jose being able to pick fruit here illegally worth murdering people in the middle of the day? Why the hell are you so afraid of some foreigners coming in to do shitty jobs? Or some of them assholes? Yeah. But as we can see every day with you, ice agents, and almost everyone in our government, there are a lot of assholes out there.

I’d rather there be 3 million more random illegal people having kids and mowing yards, than one foul ICE agent murdering us citizens for the act of being annoying.

And the thing is, the nurse they killed today, was actually being a really great guy. He’s a freaking nurse at the VA. That is a rough job. I used to work at a pain clinic and work with veterans, and those guys have been through hell. Alex was trying to help divert traffic so there wasn’t a traffic jam like the kind that led to Renee good dying. He then tried to defend a woman who’s getting thrown to the ground and pepper spray sprayed for no reason.


Give me Jorges and Tianjing Lees and random Ethiopians any day! What are you so scared of? That they’re gonna take your job cause you’re an idiot? I’d take any of them over you.

To be frank, I do feel like we need to have a better more comprehensive system when it comes to how we deal with immigration and the resources of our country. We have a lot of problems here. I don’t want it to truly be a field day, but our immigration problems are kind of like bad papercuts, and then bringing in a hammer to just hit the shit out of the hand. It’s not solving any problems, in fact now you just destroyed the hand.

(and since you seem to be the kind of person who doesn’t understand metaphors, I mean our country is getting way more fucked up by the tactics of ice and our federal government than our immigration woes.)

Anyways, I hope you grow a brain someday

[pervM]

Originally Posted by Mr.NoCredit ↗

Stop trying to normalize this. Normalizing the endless abuses, illegalities, and outright absurdities coming from this administration isn’t neutrality—it’s complicity. That’s how we got here in the first place.

To be fair the local police and ICE are not doing what they should be doing to de-escalate the situation. Onlookers, car honkers and filmers should never be allowed that close in the first place precisely to avoid shit like this from happening. Now that National Guard are on the streets they close an entire block from outside people, which is something that should've been done the first time protesters got too close to a live arrest scene.

I'm sure many forum goers here will think police not allowing them anywhere near ICE when they're arresting people is another branch of Gestapo or whatever but it is a legit way of keeping everyone safe. Thats how more professional police do it in other countries, they de-escalate and disperse large groups before they get anywhere near a chaotic situation.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by Doubleboop ↗

Am I the only one seeing that he has something in each hand right before he’s shot? It’s too small to be a phone, but it looks like a magazine in one hand and possibly a knife in the other? That would explain why they got off him so quick too. Not trying to justify either side of the argument here, it looked like a knife in one video, and in another it looked like right before he was shoot he made a motion similar to opening a folding knife. Personally I’d just stay home and not put myself in danger if I were him. I’m sure more info will come out. Curious if anyone else saw that or if I’m just imagining things.

Given that this sequence of videos has been discussed endlessly for the last 12 hours here and on thousands of news feeds and websites and you are the first person anywhere to mention a ‘folding knife’ I’m going to go out on a limb and say you imagined it.

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by pervM ↗

And those perps received consequences after the fact.

And most, if not all, are still alive, correct? They werent automatically executed. In a ridiculously overwhelming number of cases, a humble taser gets the job done just fine.

Now you tell me, why wasn't a taser used in this case? Why was it necessary to end the life of this person. To be frank, I don't care what the reason was, because there IS no reason. This is 2026, post-BLM. Why are these agents of chaos still murdering people? Police officers, TRUE law enforcement, would have gotten the job done proper.

[Meridian]

The whole thing unfolded in seconds. The guy was on the floor, never actually drew his weapon or went to, was on the floor by the time anyone realised he was carrying, one agent disarmed him, and he was hugely outnumbered and they still shot him. Are these agents just trained to shoot first ask questions later? I’m surprised they bothered with the pepper spray at all when they just love going straight for a shooting.