[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by pervM ↗

To be fair the local police and ICE are not doing what they should be doing to de-escalate the situation. Onlookers, car honkers and filmers should never be allowed that close in the first place precisely to avoid shit like this from happening. Now that National Guard are on the streets they close an entire block from outside people, which is something that should've been done the first time protesters got too close to a live arrest scene.

I'm sure many forum goers here will think police not allowing them anywhere near ICE when they're arresting people is another branch of Gestapo or whatever but it is a legit way of keeping everyone safe. Thats how more professional police do it in other countries, they de-escalate and disperse large groups before they get anywhere near a chaotic situation.

Dude, they are executing civilians and kidnapping US citizens and illegals both, without due process, without due cause, and often times without lawyers, without phone calls, and without human rights afforded to even the lowliest prisoner in our normal legal system.

And they're doing it in front of live cameras with impunity.

What the FUCK do you think these clowns are going to do when they KNOW no one is allowed to watch them?

JFC, dude. These are bad actors, recruited without proper vetting or credentials, tacitly given un-Constitutional mandates and DELIBERATELY deployed to the open streets of cities whose populations voted consistently and loudly against the sitting government.

Stop pretending that they're Andy Griffith or Francis Muldoon, always looking out for the little guy, but so stressed under pressure that, like an abusive husband, they crack and go bananas.
They hide their identities. They do not show credentials or badges when they make arrests. They do not wear bodycams. They have top level coverage for their misdeeds by a corrupted federal justice department that stifles investigations into their conduct.

They are a politicized weapon designed to terrorize 'dissident' populations. You think they're suddenly going to grow a fucking conscience, a soul, or even some trigger discipline when they're allowed to act unfettered with no witnesses?

As soon as these goons are off the leash and unmonitored, the MPD is going to start finding an inordinate number of bodies lying in dumpsters and we'll be back to the midnight redeye flights to sell Mexican dishwashers to Honduran prison labor camps.

Your level of faith and trust in this administration in the face of all that has been shown is...staggeringly naive.

[pervM]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

And most, if not all, are still alive, correct? They werent automatically executed. In a ridiculously overwhelming number of cases, a humble taser gets the job done just fine.

Again, nowhere have I justified ICE's actions in that video. One ICE officer disarms the perp and the other one immediatly shoots him right after, thats an obvious fuckup on their part. A clear communication error. The much bigger error is letting people that close to the scene to begin with.

I'm just baffled at some people's opinion here that interrupting law enforcement during an arrest is a smart thing to do and you're an evil meanie gestapo if you point out that you're going to get your ass kicked if you do that.

Especially if people truly believe ICE are a trigger-happy Gestapo who do their job for the love of murder, then you REALLY shouldn't get in their face, its like cutting your own veins open and jumping in a shark tank, what do you think is going to happen?

[MorbidlYaBeasT]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

They don't have to be "retarded". All they have to do is stumble and BOOM.

Can't you see? Whats the point of law enforcement if they can just murder citizens, not even illegal immigrants, but citizens for the most trivial of reasons. Law enforcement is better than that, more capable than that, they've proven it time and time again.

ICE is not law enforcement. If I recall, they were people who answered an ad in the newspaper a year ago. Who knows what flimsy training (brainwashing) they underwent to make the killing of citizens perfectly negotiable.

I personally understand that violently resisting law enforcement whilst armed, and in the middle of them trying to disarm you is indeed retarded. I find it retarded to obstruct law enforcement in general. but in the process of trying to disarm you when they have identified you as being involved in an altercation with one or more of them, and they have now seen that you are carrying a concealed weapon (regardless of having his papers to do so) is flat our suicide by cop.

when you say "all they have to do is stumble?" what are you talking about exactly? I have seen two videos on here of law enforcement in America seemingly just randomly attacking someone unprovoked or in a way i consider to be not consistent with the duties of a law enforcement officer.

I'm not so sure about "all they had to do is stumble." with the exception of those two that popped in my head, there was always common denominators... like engaging the cops violently, and being armed at the same time, resisting being disarmed, or detained/arrested, driving cars at police officers, etc etc.
my point is if they followed the basic and to me reasonable rules for this type of situation, they would probably be in a better situation right now.

It's sad to me that this happened. I do think it would be more of a travesty for a cop to have been murdered by him in the line of duty, for doing what they were trained to do leading up to the incident... for trying to disarm a man that was violently engaging with police officers while armed. Every action that man takes in that video looked very retarded to me as well.

also, ICE advertises its job opportunities through the federal government's official job website, USAJOBS. applicants are encouraged to regularly search for listings on USAJOBS, as ICE does not use newspapers to advertise positions. I believe the officer that shot him first or what appeared to be first, has been on the force for 8 years. you must be thinking of the FTA... bunch of crazies they are.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by pervM ↗

Again, nowhere have I justified ICE's actions in that video. One ICE officer disarms the perp and the other one immediatly shoots him right after, thats an obvious fuckup on their part. A clear communication error. The much bigger error is letting people that close to the scene to begin with.

I'm just baffled at some people's opinion here that interrupting law enforcement during an arrest is a smart thing to do and you're an evil meanie gestapo if you point out that you're going to get your ass kicked if you do that.

Especially if people truly believe ICE are a trigger-happy Gestapo who do their job for the love of murder, then you REALLY shouldn't get in their face, its like cutting your own veins open and jumping in a shark tank, what do you think is going to happen?

Okay, so.

You don't condone their murders. You claim that you believe they are wrong and their actions are fucked up.

You are too scared to step up to them with a whistle, with a camera, or with a gun. Okay, fine. Not gonna judge. Not everyone has it in them to stand up to corruption and risk their life to stare it down and record its actions. You don't. Thousands of others do. That's fine. Cowards live longer, I get it.


So other than letting them operate unfettered, with no actual civilian oversight at all for their actions and no accountability, since they do not wear bodycams, they fabricate reports, and you want civilian observers to be stonewalled, what is your solution to deal with the illegal behavior that you claim to not condone. To deal with the illegal break-ins, the constitutional violations by the bucketload. To deal with kidnappings circumventing due process.

You don't condone it. You don't have the stones to stand up to it in the face. How are you dealing with it?

Jerking off in your basement and crying on the internet? Filing lawsuits? Showing up at your congressman's office door every morning to demand action?

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrr...are you maybe a fucking prevaricating asshat and it doesn't REALLY bother you at all and, in fact, you DO condone it and feel like anyone who bucks the 'rule of law' under this administration actually deserves what the fuck they get?

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by pervM ↗

Again, nowhere have I justified ICE's actions in that video. One ICE officer disarms the perp and the other one immediatly shoots him right after, thats an obvious fuckup on their part. A clear communication error. The much bigger error is letting people that close to the scene to begin with.

I'm just baffled at some people's opinion here that interrupting law enforcement during an arrest is a smart thing to do and you're an evil meanie gestapo if you point out that you're going to get your ass kicked if you do that.

Especially if people truly believe ICE are a trigger-happy Gestapo who do their job for the love of murder, then you REALLY shouldn't get in their face, its like cutting your own veins open and jumping in a shark tank, what do you think is going to happen?

The issue is that you are still justifying their wanton killing of US citizens. There IS no happy medium here, no middle ground.

"Oh, but he had it coming because he was interfering / protesting / in the way" is NOT an excuse for murdering people who are protected under the Constitution, period. In most cases, even cold-blooded murderers get better treatment than this savagery you refer to as "law enforcement".

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by MorbidlYaBeasT ↗

It's sad to me that this happened. I do think it would be more of a travesty for a cop to have been murdered by him in the line of duty, for doing what they were trained to do leading up to the incident... for trying to disarm a man that was violently engaging with police officers while armed. Every action that man takes in that video looked very retarded to me as well.

Ummmm, is it actually you who is retarded? Or do you need to clean the Gestapo spunk off your glasses after the last load you took in the face while licking a boot?

'Violently engaging with police officers while armed'?

He was holding a fucking camera. He helped a woman to stand after she'd been knocked to the ground by a masked thug. He held up his empty hand to shield her from getting hit and took a face full of pepper spray. He never drew. He never reached. HE HELD A FUCKING CAMERA AND TRIED TO HELP A WOMAN GETTING PEPPER-SPRAYED.

He never reached. He never drew. He didn't even swing until they converged and started beating him.

They didn't arrest him. They didn't identify themselves. They didn't read him his fucking rights. They pepper sprayed him for helping a woman they were assaulting to stand up. He didn't commit a goddam misdemeanor, let alone a felony worthy of an ad hoc firing squad.

He never 'engaged violently' unless you count being swarmed, disarmed, beaten, kicked, held down, and fucking shot in the back to be 'engagement.'

Also, there were no 'police' involved. ICE are not police. Police have an academy. They require more than 47 days of 'training' before being turned loose with guns in the streets and told to shoot whoever the fuck gets in their way. They have some measure of accountability. Police are not given carte blanche immunity from prosecution by a corrupt justice department.


You are so full of shit. You say that it is 'sad' what happened, and then you turn around with your lips smeared with cum and boot polish and say "But he had it coming! He was violent! He engaaaaaaaaaaaged! He was retarded!"


You're the retard here. 'Sad,' my ass.

Fucking collaborator.

[pervM]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Your level of faith and trust in this administration in the face of all that has been shown is...staggeringly naive.

You forget again, I'm not american, I don't care about your politics. I want to know what really happened in the scene because this is not a political forum, this is a forum about morbid curiosity and videos and images of people dying horribly. Lets not pretend anybody here is a benevolent angel, we're being entertained by other people's tragedies.

From a european perspective a lot of these US cop gunshots happen ironically because they're not strict enough in controlling the area. Theres a misconception that north european police are somehow nicer than the US police, when in reality they don't have to shoot people because they have zero tolerance policy for any show of aggression or noncompliance to begin with. Merely yelling at them will have them remove you from the area or throw you to the back of the van if you refuse.

Given how many real life fights and death videos this forum has its also baffling how many people here assume police should de-escalate situations by Austin Powers judo chops to the neck or shooting in the leg or stupid stuff like that. How many videos have we seen here where someone gets a knife or a bullet to his thigh and he bleeds to death in seconds? Professional police de-escalating procedure is not about police having Hollywood Kung-Fu skills but preventing any chance of escalation in the first place.

Pedestrians protesting on the streets are never going to stop an ongoing arrest either because if they would, that would be extremely easy for any organized crime to exploit in an instant. The arrest is going to happen no matter how much people scream or fight back. And the arrest area needs to be kept clear or the situation becomes chaotic. And when it becomes chaotic, thats when you get gunshots.

[spyderguard]

Originally Posted by photo2uj ↗

5. Ice agents take the dude's legally carry gun.
6. After taking the dude's gun, ice agents execute dude.

Is this part actually true? Not a rhetorical question. I watched the slow-mo a few times but couldn’t see the disarming part.

I had previously assumed that the agent saw the concealed weapon and shot him immediately - either from freaking out or just using that as an excuse to kill (or both).

But if it is indeed true that he was disarmed first, that would take the inappropriateness to a whole new level.

If someone can describe to me which video shows the disarming, I’d greatly appreciate it.

[YDidiRegister]

Is this Iran or the USA?

[pervM]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

"Oh, but he had it coming because he was interfering / protesting / in the way" is NOT an excuse for murdering people who are protected under the Constitution, period. In most cases, even cold-blooded murderers get better treatment than this savagery you refer to as "law enforcement".

Never ever have I said this anywhere. You political types here really love putting words in peoples mouths. I spelled it out to you twice that ICE agents obviously fucked up and you just refuse to read plain english.

I also keep pointing out that the ICE fucked up by twice by letting the protestors and filming people get that close to begin with. The Minnesota police fucked up by not cordoning off the area for everyone's safety.

Lastly I point out that people here suggesting people should go and antagonize law officers in active situations are stupid especially if the law officers really are blindly shooting murdering maniacs like political types here claim. First you say they are vile sharks, then you insist its wise to jump into a water tank with them with a meat belt.