[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by mantara32 ↗

Renee Good, the woman who was shot by ICE after she attempted to run an agent over, was reportedly part of local "ICE Watch" groups whose mission was to disrupt ICE operations, per NYP.

Good wasn't some "legal observer” like the media claims.

She was a radical anti-ICE activist.

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All of that is unconfirmed, speculative fearmongering at this point. I debunked it in under a minute with basic searching.

If people want to claim that Renee Good was a "radical anti ICE activist," they need to provide evidence, not screenshots and vibes.

An image of a reporting guide for "MNICEWATCH" floating around on social media with her face placed next to it is not proof that she was part of the group, trained with them, or had any mission to disrupt ICE operations. It is a generic graphic that could be reposted by literally anyone. Screenshots are not membership cards.

There is currently no confirmed reporting from investigators, city officials, or major outlets that establishes she was a trained activist, a disruptor, or part of an organized anti ICE network. Those claims are coming from political commentators and posts trying to launder speculation into fact.

If someone wants to argue that she was a radical, a disruptor, or a member of an organized group, then they need to produce something more substantial than a poorly assembled Twitter image and a headline. Otherwise they are just repeating unverified rhetoric to justify a shooting.

The confirmed record at this point is simple: Renee Good was a civilian who was shot during an ICE operation, conflicting narratives exist about what happened, and there is no verified evidence that she was part of a group that trained to interfere with ICE.

If more information comes out, fine. But until then, pushing the "radical activist" label without evidence is not analysis, it is propaganda.

[robot]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111

Correct, they can arrest for that. And there is a scale of federal penalties starting from 8 years up to 20 years, depending on the seriousness of the offense.

[chumster76]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Be careful what you wish for, this video makes it even more clear:

(Don’t mind the typo)

Well, that video plus the hole in the front of the windshield pretty much proves she was aggressive, and the ICE agent was protecting himself and co-worker. I honestly don't understand what she was thinking doing something so stupid.

[DegoLocc]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

All of that is unconfirmed, speculative fearmongering at this point. I debunked it in under a minute with basic searching.

If people want to claim that Renee Good was a "radical anti ICE activist," they need to provide evidence, not screenshots and vibes.

An image of a reporting guide for "MNICEWATCH" floating around on social media with her face placed next to it is not proof that she was part of the group, trained with them, or had any mission to disrupt ICE operations. It is a generic graphic that could be reposted by literally anyone. Screenshots are not membership cards.

There is currently no confirmed reporting from investigators, city officials, or major outlets that establishes she was a trained activist, a disruptor, or part of an organized anti ICE network. Those claims are coming from political commentators and posts trying to launder speculation into fact.

If someone wants to argue that she was a radical, a disruptor, or a member of an organized group, then they need to produce something more substantial than a poorly assembled Twitter image and a headline. Otherwise they are just repeating unverified rhetoric to justify a shooting.

The confirmed record at this point is simple: Renee Good was a civilian who was shot during an ICE operation, conflicting narratives exist about what happened, and there is no verified evidence that she was part of a group that trained to interfere with ICE.

If more information comes out, fine. But until then, pushing the "radical activist" label without evidence is not analysis, it is propaganda.

While we don't know if she's affiliated with any organizations, we can see that her plates are from out of state. You can see her wife out of the SUV arguing with and recording ICE agents with her phone right before the shooting. After the shooting her wife is on video saying that its "all my fault, I made her come down here".

All of that can be used to logically conclude that she more than likely wasn't some innocent bystander pulling out of her drive, but was part of the group of cars from out of state that was following ICE around all day protesting them (allegedly).

I'm not saying that's for sure what happened, but it's sure looking that way.

That doesn't mean she deserved to be shot of course. However, this narrative floating around that she lived on that street and was pulling out of her drive on her way yo pick up her child or something is purely floating around out there to inflame emotions and rile ppl up. Same as that younger/prettier incorrect picture of her floating around that Vedd posted that's actually some celebrity. It's all meant to inflame, not educate anyone of the actual facts.

[robot]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

A 'society and nation of laws' that elected a twice-impeached convicted felon with 34 counts on his jacket. A convicted felon who subsequently pardoned hundreds of convicted insurrectionists, despite mountains of evidence of their guilt, just to reward them for their witless 'loyalty'.

Yeah...sorry, man. That 'nation of laws' rhetoric just ain't what it used to be.

And that convicted felon, in an effort to allow his minions time to circumvent yet another law, has been ramping up targeted public ICE raids in Democratically aligned cities in order to keep the nation from complaining about the failure to release legally-mandated documents implicating him and his rich cronies in a decades-long series of underaged sex-trafficking crimes.

Weaponizing federal agents to target your political opponents and the citizens who vote for them is hardly 'rule of law.' And yet the majority of ICE raids in GOP cities take place in prisons, arresting only illegals who have committed actual crimes. Whereas in Blue cities, they swarm the streets like fucking bees, masked and unidentified. They don't tell anyone what they are doing or who they are after. They just show up to terrorize neighborhoods and workplaces.

Because that's exactly what they were directed to do.

By our 'society of laws' president with 34 felony convictions.

Who has never paid for the crimes our 'nation of laws' convicted him of, because he knew he could count on enough racists, bigots, and simpletons to put him back into office after the 'society of laws' Court he packed with appointees unjustly denied to the prior administration by our 'nation of laws' congress had declared him universally immune to prosecution, putting one man above all laws for the first time in our nation's 'society of laws' history.

I'm sorry, mate. But falling back to that 'society of laws' horseshit as ANY part of your response is a farce. It'd be funny if it weren't for the fact that it's an actual tragedy instead.

It is very difficult to take anyone seriously in 2025 when they use that terminology. It is no longer a statement that one can use with earnestness unless one is a misguided fool or a shill for the Fash.

The party politics or pov you describe is a different discussion from the actual laws on the books (1996 IIRIRA - see my other post that should be close to this one). The party politics discussion is much larger and I'd be happy to go deep on how it destroys things like judicial independence in NYS courts but I'm tired. Not a "fash" but definitely not a fan of organized monied factions, regardless of the direction they lean. Peace, brother.

[DegoLocc]

So some outlets have released the shooter's name.

Here's the USA Today article from a few hours ago:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...d/88087720007/

[tyroneslothrop]

Grande, who started in counseling on Youtube but the last few years has concentrated on the True Crime genre, attempts a balanced look at the events here.

(Not saying I agree or disagree with his conclusions - just that its one of the rare views of the events which tries to not have an agenda.)

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by DegoLocc ↗

I'm not saying that's for sure what happened, but it's sure looking that way.

And I'm not saying you're a closet alt-right whackjob and Fash apologist, but it's sure looking that way!

You claim to be a 'moderate' and while you grudgingly give half-assed lip service to the idea that Good 'should not have died', ALMOST every single post you support, agree with, upvote, and don't argue with in this entire thread is made by an avowed GOP/MAGA supporter espousing a love for over-reaching authority.

You attacked me personally because you felt as though 'it sure looked like' I had banned dozens of people in the site all day long just because they disagreed with me when in fact that was not even remotely true.

For someone who touts his own 'moderate' viewpoint and adherence to a measured, logical, fair and balanced approach to the world, I'd dare say you put a HELL of a lot of stock in things that 'sure look that way', 'that way' mysteriously ALWAYS being some skewed-ass hard right leaning view. You loooove playing devil's advocate, always prefacing with the 'I don't mean to be...' caveat and ALWAYS only playing the devil to any viewpoint remotely left of center.

Damned odd coincidence, a fair and balanced moderate man who ONLY allows himself to judge on 'sure looks that way' when it fits a decidedly conservative narrative.

But guess what. I'm gonna try hard to be the Vedderman the Better Man and assume that just because it 'SURE LOOKS LIKE' you're one of the several bearded Fash fetishists we have here who make a big song and dance about being balanced and moderate, yet suspiciously act in total opposition to that at every turn, that you are actually in earnest, true to your STATED convictions, and only seeking the truth of a situation with no actual bias for what you WANT the truth to be.


To that end, I will give you an assist. Renee Nicole Good had out of state plates on the car because she moved from Kansas City to Minneapolis midway through last year. Her wife's statement about blaming herself for 'getting her down here' was in reference to her being the one that convinced Renee to leave KC and relocate to Minneapolis, both because the city was more politically aligned with their feelings and because she had ties there.

Renee's second husband, an Air Force veteran, ran a comedy podcast for several years that she co-hosted with him from KC. He passed away in 2023. They had one child together. She met her wife the following year and moved with her to Minnesota the year after that.

Renee's first husband, with whom she had 2 children, was still close with her due to their teenagers and gave a series of short interviews today wherein he stated unequivocally that she was NOT an 'activist' or an 'agitator' or any sort of paid agent provocateur. He said she was of strong moral character, a lifetime Christian who had done missionary work when she was younger, and a good mother.

Her mother also reported in an interview that they spoke frequently she was not part of any militant groups, or any kind of activism designed to interfere with ICE.

Several State leaders, however, confirmed that she was on record with local and state government as being a registered 'legal observer - a volunteer who monitors police and security forces at protests and operations.' Which explains why she and her wife were merely sitting in their car, observing and recording the proceedings of a scheduled ICE raid, rather than standing out with signs or getting in ICE agents' faces.

There are several agencies making a case that she was, in fact, NOT blocking ICE at al; but was already trying to affect a 3-point turnaround or a U to relocate when the murderer's truck pulled up near her. Without speaking specifically as to intent at this time, there are definitely several videos that show her in more or less the same spot, waving traffic through ahead of her. In the beginning of the first video in this thread, it has been posited that she was trying to wave the ICE truck to go around, as well.

Hard to tell because within 60 seconds, they were swarming her vehicle yelling profanity and ordering her to get out while ALSO ordering her to clear the road. Unsure of which conflicting order to follow, she froze and then tried to 'clear the road' be fleeing down the street once she realized one of the Gestapo was trying to forcibly enter her vehicle without permission.

She had an English degree, had previously worked as a dental assistant, and was currently focusing on being a stay at home mom, spending most of her time with her youngest child and her wife when the latter had days off. Such as yesterday. Their child was at kindergarten classes when his mother was being murdered by the Gestapo.

She had no criminal history. Had no history of 'activism' aside from a few peaceful local protests with her wife. She wrote poetry.

She had a dog that was also in the car with her and and her wife when she was murdered in cold blood by a masked thug.

That enough to change any of your opinion about the way 'things sure were lookin'? Or would you rather continue forming your fair, balanced, and moderate opinion of this 'professional agitator' and 'domestic terrorist' based on the statements of the President you purport to distrust and hate as well as internet memes pulled off of TS and Twitter?

[WonderMomma]

I almost posted the same pic last night as Ved. But just did a check. It was circulating last night as her but is actually not. She's not a celebrity but she is included in a series of photos of poetry award recipients, WITH Renee.

These things definitely happen a lot.

https://news.meaww.com/fact-check-do...y-an-ice-agent

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

I almost posted the same pic last night as Ved. But just did a check. It was circulating last night as her but is actually not. She's not a celebrity but she is included in a series of photos of poetry award recipients, WITH Renee.

These things definitely happen a lot.

https://news.meaww.com/fact-check-do...y-an-ice-agent

Oh, but no. The fair and balanced and moderate approach is to immediately assume that this 'mistake' was a direct plant by mysterious libtard agents, designed to sow chaos and inflame emotions about dead pretty girls who are actually living celebrities.

Sorry, I know you kinda like DegoLocc, but an overview of his MANY contributions to this thread make clearer and clearer with every post that for a guy who SWEARS he has no agenda but 'the truth' and is entirely fair and balanced and measured...he is extremely biased and lopsided in his thinking. And in almost every single case the bias skews the same way.

I fucking detest slippery, disingenuous hypocrites.