[Mr Poo]

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

There was nothing about those two dipshits that was altruistic, they were fucking around and secretly filmed the sergeant doing something stupid. Why were they pulled over in the first place? Why was there a supervisor on scene? I'll bet money that sergeant wasn't the initial contacting officer...why was he there? Could it have been that the two assholes were being stupid and the initial contacting officer called for backup and a supervisor? If so...then that sergeant would have been a little pissed off at the two retards to begin with. There are many ways to refuse a search and conduct one's self...those two seemed like real smart asses and that probably lit the already simmering fuse of that sergeant. Not saying his reaction was correct...I just think those two goaded him into that position.

I'm not saying that refusing to allow a police officer to search your vehicle is anything but your God given right. If officer's are too stupid or unimaginative to find probable cause or reasonable suspicion...then they don't deserve to search your vehicle. It's just this new bullshit playing constitutional lawyer game that's getting very old. Every snot nosed hipster now thinks he's an attorney. The way they act is going to piss off even the most mild mannered officer and make things worse. If I had been that sergeant I wouldn't have gotten mad, I'd have gotten smart and still got to search the vehicle and with a little luck...even made an arrest or two. I think a good police officer should be better schooled on the law, policy, and how to get around some dumbass with an agenda and still succeed.

The officer should have never reacted in that way regardless of the situation. And as for them baiting him, the video itself doesn't show that. You're just assuming what happened in the pre-text without any knowledge.

You're saying they had this planned all along with a secret camera.. every single cell phone is a camera.

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

By the way...I think video taping every police contact is stupid and highly paranoid...and sort of pitiful. I think it says far more about you than it does about law enforcement in general. Just because police occasionally screw up (as does everyone else) is no reason to basically expect trouble with the police at every turn. I've got to wonder what you're doing (or have done) to warrant such paranoia of having a bad contact with police. All you're doing by filming the police is appearing as anti-police and a potential threat. Relax and treat each police officer as you find them...not as you expect them to be. Stop making generalizations and relax. the percentage of misconduct by American law enforcement is infinitesimal in comparison to the number of public contacts.

It's not paranoia, it's an insurance policy. If the person that gets pulled over has nothing to hide, the officer shouldn't either. Isn't that the whole reason for dashcams? Physical proof against false accusations..

[commondenom]

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

By the way...I think video taping every police contact is stupid and highly paranoid...and sort of pitiful. I think it says far more about you than it does about law enforcement in general. Just because police occasionally screw up (as does everyone else) is no reason to basically expect trouble with the police at every turn. I've got to wonder what you're doing (or have done) to warrant such paranoia of having a bad contact with police. All you're doing by filming the police is appearing as anti-police and a potential threat. Relax and treat each police officer as you find them...not as you expect them to be. Stop making generalizations and relax. the percentage of misconduct by American law enforcement is infinitesimal in comparison to the number of public contacts.

dude...seriously??? which part of PEOPLE DON'T TRUST THE POLICE ANYMORE' don't you understand?

technology has given us the ability to monitor these civil SERVANTS (not MASTERS as so many of them/you seem to think) and they need to be monitored because the same technology has shown us that they need to be monitored....

filming the cops doesn't make the person filming anti police, it makes them a person who is sick of reading stories about corrupt cops, bullies who abuse their power, power tripping assholes who force and coerce people into situations that could put them in jail for years or even worse....

everyone knows that not all cops are cunts but it's a little club now, a gang where you need a badge to be in that gang and when you have that badge you have a whole host of other badge holders who will back up any story you claim to keep you out of trouble....fuck that shit.

[commondenom]

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

If I had been that sergeant I wouldn't have gotten mad, I'd have gotten smart and still got to search the vehicle and with a little luck...even made an arrest or two.

see...problem right there... a person who knows what's right and wrong would've said 'and with a little luck...there would've been no reason to arrest anyone for anything'

you actually WANT to arrest people? you WANT people to be criminals....?? that's so fucked up.

[30564U]

Originally Posted by commondenom ↗

see...problem right there... a person who knows what's right and wrong would've said 'and with a little luck...there would've been no reason to arrest anyone for anything'

you actually WANT to arrest people? you WANT people to be criminals....?? that's so fucked up.

Says the non American about a system of law enforcement in a country that he does not live in. What makes you an expert?

[commondenom]

actually i did live there...but i'm still no expert...but what i said is true regardless of where i was born or now reside..

don't you see how dangerous it is to have police officers with the mindset of '...hopefully make a couple of arrests' when there is actually no good reason for them to be arrested....

if you don't think my opinion is valid then just look around the forum (or any other forum) for the thousands, actually millions of americans who feel the same way...

(you're a smart guy and i enjoy interacting with you here by the way so it's pretty important to me that we remain civil despite our difference of opinion on the state of the law and law enforcement in america)

[30564U]

Originally Posted by commondenom ↗

actually i did live there...but i'm still no expert...but what i said is true regardless of where i was born or now reside..

don't you see how dangerous it is to have police officers with the mindset of '...hopefully make a couple of arrests' when there is actually no good reason for them to be arrested....

if you don't think my opinion is valid then just look around the forum (or any other forum) for the thousands, actually millions of americans who feel the same way...

(you're a smart guy and i enjoy interacting with you here by the way so it's pretty important to me that we remain civil despite our difference of opinion on the state of the law and law enforcement in america)

Just because an entire generation is fucked up and has a certain adversarial opinion of police, doesn't make it true or accurate. If you took the number of everyday police/citizen contacts and compared them to the statistically infinitesimal number of cases of misconduct (or even perceived misconduct) it would be such a low number to be statistically irrelevant. Why would you automatically assume every encounter you have with police to be negative? I think the semi paranoid attitude this generation projects to officers has a great deal to do with any hostility. There are tons of ways to video officers without being so dumb and ham handed about it...most folks hold that phone like a talisman that will protect them from harm...it won't and it will taint the way the officer interacts with the person filming them...it's rude and uncalled for behavior. I have no issue with citizens filming officers...it's the stupid and intentionally provocative manner in which most do it. This isn't tv and there's no vast conspiracy among police internal affairs units or district attorney's offices to hide police corruption. Your belief that the police can't b trusted to conduct an internal investigation among themselves is insane. Perhaps the accusation was legitimately bullshit and the investigation cleared the officer...does that automatically mean a coverup? You anti-police folks have some serious issues and a lot of you seem to boarder on the tinfoil hat crowd. I'm fifty-one years old...I've been stopped both on and off the job maybe twenty times in many different jurisdictions and states. I've never had a bad encounter...even when the contacting officer didn't know I was a police officer or retired police officer. I'm not sure what these folks are doing, but I think they need to re-examine their lifestyles or extra curricular activities. In my experience you really need to go way out of your way to piss off the average officer. I think this anti-police paranoid generation needs to take a serious look at themselves.

[30564U]

Originally Posted by commondenom ↗

see...problem right there... a person who knows what's right and wrong would've said 'and with a little luck...there would've been no reason to arrest anyone for anything'

you actually WANT to arrest people? you WANT people to be criminals....?? that's so fucked up.

I believe in my soul that those two retards had some type of illegal contraband in their vehicle and were trying to intimidate those bumpkin coppers. I would have used every legal means at my disposal to search that vehicle and, if contraband was found during the search...then I absolutely would have arrested those two fools. Based on their behavior and attitude (not their lawful refusal to allow a consensual search) their would have been no deal whatsoever or mercy given. Arresting bad guys is the bread and butter of police work. I wouldn't give two shits for an officer that wasn't hungry to catch a bad guy...police should be digging for bad guys all the time. I've never conducted an illegal search nor illegally slapped a citizen...as I've said that sergeant was a fool and needed to retire a long time ago. He was stupid and didn't know the law and ways to legally search that vehicle without a consensual search...he was a dumbass.

[commondenom]

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

J I think this anti-police paranoid generation needs to take a serious look at themselves.

the generation you mention wasn't born out of thin air....it was born out of horror stories of police brutality, corruption etc etc... sure the media has played a big part in it (and hollywood sure hasn't helped) but that's the way it is and the only way it'll change is when there are no longer any horror stories to report....unfortunately for your case everyone and his auntie has a cell phone camera with a direct link to share to the world within seconds and so every officer should expect that and behave accordingly....

they aren't robots, they are people and should behave like people first (using unbiased judgement, empathy etc) and like 'by the book' police officers (robots) second.... anything other than that is going to do nothing but perpetuate the stigma that surrounds the police force already.

cops aren't soldiers in a war against citizens and they should remember that..there's no place for bullying or ultra aggressive behaviour unless there's been a violent crime... you know why cops in europe don't get the same rap as cops in the states?? because they are awesome, because they understand that sending someone to prison for 10 years because he had a couple of joints in his pocket is outrageous regardless of what the law says...because they are not robots...

the fact is nothing is going to change until the cops, all the cops, start behaving...fact. no amount of PR (from you or anybody else) is going to change that

[commondenom]

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

I believe in my soul that those two retards had some type of illegal contraband in their vehicle and were trying to intimidate those bumpkin coppers. I would have used every legal means at my disposal to search that vehicle and, if contraband was found during the search...then I absolutely would have arrested those two fools. Based on their behavior and attitude (not their lawful refusal to allow a consensual search) their would have been no deal whatsoever or mercy given. Arresting bad guys is the bread and butter of police work. I wouldn't give two shits for an officer that wasn't hungry to catch a bad guy...police should be digging for bad guys all the time. I've never conducted an illegal search nor illegally slapped a citizen...as I've said that sergeant was a fool and needed to retire a long time ago. He was stupid and didn't know the law and ways to legally search that vehicle without a consensual search...he was a dumbass.

i doubt they had anything illegal on them...taunting a cop whilst in possession of narcotics would be pretty dumb....if they did have something on them then that doesn't make them 'bad guys'...an ounce of meth sure, a trunk full of weed ok. A few spliffs or a couple of blotters of acid sure as hell doesn't make them 'bad guys', bad guys tend to hurt people on purpose...

the states has some pretty oppressive laws...where you draw the line makes the difference...if you can't draw your own line then there is a problem, then we have unfeeling, unthinking robots again...they'd do well assembling electronic components on an assembly line but definitely aren't the right kind of people to be dealing with the public who outnumber them by a massive margin.

[Tantrix]

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

Those two boobs who filmed him are jackasses that were looking to bait some rural police bumkin into reacting just like this sergeant did

And you'd figure after 25 years of service, he wouldn't have fell for it. Makes me wonder how much else he's gotten away with in his 25 years as a LEO.

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

They didn't do what they did for a higher purpose...they did it because they thought it was funny and to put it on YouTube and get some attention.

I'm ok with that. That officer clearly should have retired long ago.

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

Otherwise they would have quietly turned the recording over to that agency's internal affairs unit and let the chips fall where they may.

Internal affairs would have likely given him a temporary suspension and he'd be back on the streets slapping more people around.

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

But those two assholes posted it first, then someone saw it and notified the chief of police.

Exactly how it should be done.

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

They wanted exactly what happened to happened...they baited that cop and he bit...for whatever reason.

And you'd figure after 25 years, he'd know better.

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

The sergeant served the public faithfully for at least twenty-five years, right up until two overgrown delinquents intentionally put him into a compromising position. The sergeant was stupid, but what those two did was wrong.

After watching this guy's behavior, I'd say "faithfully" is a bit of a stretch. I'd be willing to bet this isn't the first time he's done something like this...he just happened to be caught on film this time.