[pervM]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

I’m not knocking anyone. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. But it’s dangerous in the sense that you’ve all just turned on the guy because what he says

Because what he says is the exact same spiel any standard russian bot using Yandex translate keeps repeating ad nauseam. We are judging him based on what he is writing. You can't claim to be "on Ukraine side" and simultaneously say that Ukraine belongs to Russia because Ukraine used to be part of USSR. That is 100% a pro-russian stand, automatically. Russia has no right to own any of its neighbours. Russia has no right to dictate any of its neighbours foreign policies. If you disagree, you are automatically a russian shill. Thats a very simple fact. Trying to act as "pro-ukrainian" while constantly shilling for Russia is something called Concern Trolling, meant to deceive and demoralize the opposition.

He comes off just as "genuine" as the recent social media wave of russian bots pretending to be finnish and repeating a line "NATO cannot download Finland", because Yandex translate error mixed up the finnish words "save" and "download" with each other.

By all means be pro-russian, but stop pretending to be something you are not. People don't dislike disagreement, they dislike lying and dishonesty.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by pervM ↗

Because what he says is the exact same spiel any standard russian bot using Yandex translate keeps repeating ad nauseam. We are judging him based on what he is writing. You can't claim to be "on Ukraine side" and simultaneously say that Ukraine belongs to Russia because Ukraine used to be part of USSR. That is 100% a pro-russian stand, automatically. Russia has no right to own any of its neighbours. Russia has no right to dictate any of its neighbours foreign policies. If you disagree, you are automatically a russian shill. Thats a very simple fact. Trying to act as "pro-ukrainian" while constantly shilling for Russia is something called Concern Trolling, meant to deceive and demoralize the opposition.

He comes off just as "genuine" as the recent social media wave of russian bots pretending to be finnish and repeating a line "NATO cannot download Finland", because Yandex translate error mixed up the finnish words "save" and "download" with each other.

By all means be pro-russian, but stop pretending to be something you are not. People don't dislike disagreement, they dislike lying and dishonesty.

Could it be that Rikbikboo is a communist Russian troll as well?
I mean he has a neutral and balanced way of looking at things… in this case, maybe a little too neutral and balanced, wouldn’t you agree?

[Faust]

“ Russia has no right to dictate any of its neighbours foreign policies. If you disagree, you are automatically a russian shill.”
It is strictly forbidden in this thread to make a comparison any other superpowers and their foreign policies, or rather; “illegal invasions” or “war crimes” and however you would call it if they were done by Russia.

“It is never allowed to invade a country”
-“what if you lie about that country having weapons of mass destruction?”
“It is not allowed to make such comparisons I am reporting you to a mod”

[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Could it be that Rikbikboo is a communist Russian troll as well?
I mean he has a neutral and balanced way of looking at things… in this case, maybe a little too neutral and balanced, wouldn’t you agree?

There’s no such thing as balanced. The guy is spewing the same stuff we have seen in the past when it comes to bots appearing as Ukrainians saying they wanna be in the uSSr again.

[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

Lol. I ain’t taking any sides at all. I’m here for the discussion. But I do see a clear side for the SU and NATO. But. Seems to me even if (RaNer) you fight for the Ukraine. As a soldier or merc. If you ain’t liked or in agreement then yep you are suddenly a troll and off you over to the the Russian side.

That’s a bit fucked up.

I get everyone likes to give Faust and jululib. And basically anyone that is firmly down on the Russian side Some stick. And quite rightly they are able give it back which is fab. But it starts to get a bit dangerous when you start weeding out your own side,seeing as clearly there is two sides here and segregating them.

It reminds me of a tv show I’m watching. The very people meant to be protecting then started turning on each other because their views didn’t align and now they are hunting each other down. They all died .

It’s interesting to sit and she actually how dangerous we as a people really are. At least the Russians seem to stick together. Right. You don’t see them telling the people arguing the same corner as they to fuck off.

Yet here we are watching RaNer get called a liar and a bullshitter and a troll because he says he’s been there and that actually the Russians are doing better than what we think they are doing. Straight from the horses mouth I guess

Does no one really see this?

I’m not knocking anyone. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. But it’s dangerous in the sense that you’ve all just turned on the guy because what he says, you are concerned, is bullshit. So therefore he can’t be associated with believed and so is rubbished.
It’s comic and also a great example of why we are not in charge of things other than posting in a forum.

Fuck scary shit man. And I ain’t even had a smoke for years, yet you lot. In particular my own. Pro western side as it were are Fucking worrying. :) :) :)

Half intelligent person will know what I’m getting at and trying to say.

Actually believe him. And I think without Faust and the others here that are firmly down in the Russian corner. You’re have nothing to argue about. Isn’t this te whole idea of free speech.

What’s worrying is if you lot were actually armed and in charge. Lol. Fuck no. Stranger danger ;)

Nobody here is denying that the Russians are probably doing slightly better than we are told on telegram, Twitter, or the news. However, it’s when you start spewing radical ideas mixed in with truths that start raising red flags. It’s a classic techno of trying to build credibility around things that are lies or general propaganda. Plus the dude said he’s been there and done that but has no evidence to support his claim. At least with Boneface he had the proof to backup what he was talking about.

[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

“ Russia has no right to dictate any of its neighbours foreign policies. If you disagree, you are automatically a russian shill.”
It is strictly forbidden in this thread to make a comparison any other superpowers and their foreign policies, or rather; “illegal invasions” or “war crimes” and however you would call it if they were done by Russia.

“It is never allowed to invade a country”
-“what if you lie about that country having weapons of mass destruction?”
“It is not allowed to make such comparisons I am reporting you to a mod”

Countries make mistakes. If you think that the same people who are against Russia don’t realize their own countries mistakes then you are wrong. War crimes are war crimes my guy. Meanwhile you sit here in all these threads shitting on western countries but at the same time justify the Russian genocide….who is the real hypocrite?

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

“ Russia has no right to dictate any of its neighbours foreign policies. If you disagree, you are automatically a russian shill.”
It is strictly forbidden in this thread to make a comparison any other superpowers and their foreign policies, or rather; “illegal invasions” or “war crimes” and however you would call it if they were done by Russia.

“It is never allowed to invade a country”
-“what if you lie about that country having weapons of mass destruction?”
“It is not allowed to make such comparisons I am reporting you to a mod”

So, the point of your favorite "whataboutism" here is that "Russia must be allowed to dictate, invade and murder people in its neighboring countries because US went after an Iraq'i dictator decades ago, and you didnt like it?

If you dont like that US invaded iraq, then a normal person would conclude that:
"invading other countries is bad" and they would say "Russia invading other countries" is bad.

Sadly, your argument isnt the reasonable one, condemning Russia. You keep promoting Russian propaganda and invasion as if it were the holy war, dictated by god himself.

Reality is that imperialism must end, before mankind can reach the first level of civilization. Right now, we arent technically even civilized yet. We are still tribal communities.
Equation for peace is simple: remove dictators from the equation, dilute power and provide total transparency for government spending.

Peace terms for Ukraine-Russia war is simple as well.
1) Russia retreats and pays for rebuilding what it destroyed.
It can do a total-recall of the Russian population who want to live in Russia. Build them a brand new city to live in. Its still much cheaper than war. If someone doesnt want free brand new realestate in Russia...then...are they really pro-Russia, if they wouldnt move to Russia even if given free appartment.
2) Ukraine will join NATO...because thats what they want to do, and its their decision. It will improve Russia's security as well. So, its a win-win.
3) Ukraine will dilute power, allowing local oblasts(including donbass) to vote and determine their own language/trade policies that are currently controversial.
4) Both Ukraine and Russia will agree to permanently demilitarize Crimea.
5) Ukraine will grant blanket amnesty to everyone who isnt proven to have taken part of war crimes.
6) Russia will do the same.
7) Russia/China/The West is allowed to freely, and at any time inspect Ukraine's nuclear facilities to check for (imaginary dirty bombs) and biolabs.
8) Ukraine will either procecute or hand over any nazis who commit crimes in Ukraine.

9) Both Russia, Ukraine and EU countries will roll-back their increase of military spending. Whatever shitty state the military is now...it will stay like that. Win-win-win for everybody. Taxpayers are happy. Countries are happy, since everyone is equally weak to organize another invasion.

[Faust]

I just think all war crimes, invasions, and genocide should be judged as equal, sorry

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I just think all war crimes, invasions, and genocide should be judged as equal, sorry

Then why dont you?

[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I just think all war crimes, invasions, and genocide should be judged as equal, sorry

That’s fine. A lot of us do too. That’s why we want Ukraine to prevail.