[Rikbikboo]

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

That maybe explains why are they so out of touch with reality Did you saw their generall Milley ? or whats his name lol, he openly declared that Ukraine already won. It's classic example of USA leadership in military. Clown nation. USA is biggest propaganda push in this war. They live in simple denial about like 90 percent of things that happened or are happening.

Whiskey and his group of dictator worshippers. They will even deny any victims 2014-2022 and shelling, attacks that happened and killed many of ua citizens, like people who denied holocaust. Sad state of ignorance. Not worth serious discussion with these clowns. Just look at their leadership and media. Empire of lies. Only thing they can do is being offended by truth and try to censore everything. But if they attack u personally or act like fools, its ok. Pure hypocrisy.

I sat on the toilet having a shit reading your post. And it really made me laugh when you said about censorship. I was like LOLOL. you think we are censored here in the UK.

Compared to the Russians. Banging people up and disappearing anyone that says anything against them I find that so funny.

The way censorship works in Russia is downright scary.

[Wailode]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

I sat on the toilet having a shit reading your post. And it really made me laugh when you said about censorship. I was like LOLOL. you think we are censored here in the UK.

Compared to the Russians. Banging people up and disappearing anyone that says anything against them I find that so funny.

The way censorship works in Russia is downright scary.

It's just more straighforward. In USA it goes just into void of media presence. If someone gets killed or canceled, its conspiracy for 6 months before information comes out.

That have russia and usa in common with their dealings. Just look at Epstein case, there are many similar victims of both regimes. Child trafficking, FBI meddling etc. Nation of criminals and media corruption.

Just look at twitter files, facebook or other media. Pure censorship and manipulation from extreme leftists. They are now in court. Not talking about BLM riots and thugs who killed many people and officials. Sorry, but nation in decline can't do policeman of world or tell others how to defend themselves. People like Victoria Nuland belong to jail but for naive warmongers they are national heroes.

USA supports dictator regime that openly collide with nazis. This is why current regime in USA will be also broken. This war will have even bigger consequences. Criminals will come to justice.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

Now this I believe. However, if the current situation is using restraint. I’d hate to see what going all out was like.

However. When you say preemptive strike. Preemptive to what. They had already gone in and taken Crimea illegally.

From my point of view however uneducated from what I have seen it seems to me that the attack was wrong.

At the same time I understand the thing about NATO expanding But. If a county wished to join as long as they don’t start crossing Russian borders there was no right for Russia to attack Ukraine other than the bullshit excuses that you really seem to fight for here.

Props for doing so. Though. Everyone is allowed an opinion and it’s not for anyone to judge for it. Even if I think you’re wrong. I’m interested to see the other sides point. As long as it doesn’t involve us being blown out or our nice warm houses eh.

The other thing is. I will check your links. I have always said I always found Putin to be a great orator I actually believed a lot of what he said. But I don’t agree with bombing and trying to freeze people to death in order to reach your goals. Killing civvies isn’t the way to go you’ll only make them want to fight back more.
Same as I do think the USA blew the gas line up. Why blow your own line up when you have the tap at your end. Nah. That one didn’t wash at all

Thank you for at least trying to understand both perspectives. I will respond later to your points.


Btw forget Russia though; any attacking force wants no civilians in the way; they make a real mess, they die horribly especially with kids or women or babies. Only if you have the media on your side you can do that shit.

Whereas a defending force will want civilians on the streets and near the enemy tanks for the exact same reason. This is why Zelensky admitted to downplaying the imminent Russian invasion against his own civilians. he wanted the risk of babies splattered on the walls. it would slow down the enemy (which it did) and it would give some great footage for the media war. His army specifically operated next to civilian architecture and infrastructure

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...ger-civilians/

But anyway talk later!

[pastinho]

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

You are maybe remembering this wrong, Zelensky admitted to lying to his people “ saying that any thought of attack were ridiculous” in order to use his own civilians as human shields in order to slow down the russians from reaching Kiev which he believed would have been taken in 3 days, if not for civilian shields

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...w-warn-of-war/

This is western funded, us tax payers funded, state sponsored US western media reporting it, so it doesn’t get more real, or true than this

It wasnt just zelensky who thought that a russian attack is ludicrous. It was Putin who also said that.

Russian attack is crazy western hysteria. Why should zelensky start a mass evacuation and screw up the entire economy of a country, if Russian president( who is holier than thou...is perfect, and never lies ) said that he is not going to attack. ?

Everybody downplayed the risk of the attack.
Especially Russia...who said that the attack is not going to happen.

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Whereas a defending force will want civilians on the streets and near the enemy tanks for the exact same reason.

This is why Zelensky admitted to downplaying the imminent Russian invasion against his own civilians. he wanted the risk of babies splattered on the walls.

it would slow down the enemy (which it did) and it would give some great footage for the media war.

Zelensky says he strategically downplayed the impending Russian invasion to prevent a financial panic that he says would have resulted in his country swiftly falling to the Kremlin.

Zelensky described the delicate balancing act he faced leading up to the invasion in an interview with The Washington Post published Tuesday.

Speaking to the Post, Zelensky explained that telling the Ukrainian public to store food and money in preparation for war would have paradoxically meant a swift victory for Russia.

"You can't simply say to me, 'Listen, you should start to prepare people now and tell them they need to put away money, they need to store up food,'" Zelensky told the paper.

"If we had communicated that—and that is what some people wanted, who I will not name—then I would have been losing $7 billion a month since last October, and at the moment when the Russians did attack, they would have taken us in three days."


So nothing to do with killing their own civilians or splattered babies.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Zelensky says he strategically downplayed the impending Russian invasion to prevent a financial panic that he says would have resulted in his country swiftly falling to the Kremlin.

Zelensky described the delicate balancing act he faced leading up to the invasion in an interview with The Washington Post published Tuesday.

Speaking to the Post, Zelensky explained that telling the Ukrainian public to store food and money in preparation for war would have paradoxically meant a swift victory for Russia.

"You can't simply say to me, 'Listen, you should start to prepare people now and tell them they need to put away money, they need to store up food,'" Zelensky told the paper.

"If we had communicated that—and that is what some people wanted, who I will not name—then I would have been losing $7 billion a month since last October, and at the moment when the Russians did attack, they would have taken us in three days."


So nothing to do with killing their own civilians or splattered babies.

Whoops, looks like I posted the damage control article, anyway this is from the real interview:

“ You can’t simply say to me, “Listen, you should start to prepare people now and tell them they need to put away money, they need to store up food.” If we had communicated that — and that is what some people wanted, who I will not name — then I would have been losing $7 billion a month since last October, and at the moment when the Russians did attack, they would have taken us in three days. I’m not saying whose idea it was, but generally, our inner sense was right: If we sow chaos among people before the invasion, the Russians will devour us. Because during chaos, people flee the country.
And that’s what happened when the invasion started — we were as strong as we could be. Some of our people left, but most of them stayed here, they fought for their homes. And as cynical as it may sound, those are the people who stopped everything. ”

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ew-transcript/

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Article on Russian disinformation practices.

https://news.yahoo.com/inside-the-kr...183128480.html

[Rikbikboo]

It will be interesting to see whether or not this new additive to his special operation actually captures land this time or will they get owned again

[WonderMomma]

How can anyone still calling this a "special military operation" and not a war be taken seriously anyway?