[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Americans think they are ethnically above Ukrainians; Americans are less corrupt, more disciplined, more, ethical. They truly believe this; ask any of them.

Yet those very same Americans believe that Ukrainians would never discriminate, segregate, use chemical weapons on civilians, target civilians, torture civilians.

It is impossible for both to be true at the same time is what I am saying

Coming from a guy who doesn't even read his own links he posts here (long reputation for this) as proof of whatever he's trying to say.

I'm American and I don't think Russians or Ukrainians have used chemical or biological weapons in this war, at least so far. You're doing your typical thing of generalizing and making arguments that don't exist.

[Rikbikboo]

Originally Posted by Roosta ↗

Whiskey.
He did point out that it wasn't NATO that moved 15 battalion groups to the border before the war. A legitimate response which the turd sitting down didn't even respond to and just deflected. What do you think of that fact drag?

Originally Posted by ljubodrag
Which side of the border, buddy? What's that supposed to mean? Russia can't move its troops on its own territory?

Whiskey :
Right on the border? With that amount of troops? On what planet do you live where that's not super sketchy as hell?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ljubodrag.
Sketchy or not, it doesn't matter now. This shit is escalating.


Quick with the "It doesn't matter now" when your confronted with facts about your pro ruskie shit, ha !

Sorry. New reply to old post.

I seem to remember that they did that in response to the Russians massing 100,000 troops on the Ukraine border and then saying that any thought of attack were ridiculous

Try to cut the shit.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Coming from a guy who doesn't even read his own links he posts here (long reputation for this) as proof of whatever he's trying to say.

I'm American and I don't think Russians or Ukrainians have used chemical or biological weapons in this war, at least so far. You're doing your typical thing of generalizing and making arguments that don't exist.

It's really pointless to say a thing when someone doesn't listen.

So this is me in the corner:

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

Sorry. New reply to old post.

I seem to remember that they did that in response to the Russians massing 100,000 troops on the Ukraine border and then saying that any thought of attack were ridiculous

Try to cut the shit.

You are maybe remembering this wrong, Zelensky admitted to lying to his people “ saying that any thought of attack were ridiculous” in order to use his own civilians as human shields in order to slow down the russians from reaching Kiev which he believed would have been taken in 3 days, if not for civilian shields

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...w-warn-of-war/

This is western funded, us tax payers funded, state sponsored US western media reporting it, so it doesn’t get more real, or true than this

[Rikbikboo]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

You are maybe remembering this wrong, Zelensky admitted to lying to his people “ saying that any thought of attack were ridiculous” in order to use his own civilians as human shields in order to slow down the russians from reaching Kiev which he believed would have been taken in 3 days, if not for civilian shields

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...w-warn-of-war/

This is western funded, us tax payers funded, state sponsored US western media reporting it, so it doesn’t get more real, or true than this

Or maybe he was thinking let’s not cause country wide panic. The Russians wouldn’t possibly start coming in and shooting unarmed civilians on the street as they tried to escape.

Beside the Russians have said that it was just an exercise and any idea of them starting an attack was purely fairytales and lies.

Funny how only a few days later they did just that.

Wouldn’t it have been nice ifThey hadn’t attacked.

Sorry mate. I can’t believe you would say that. Doesn’t everyone have a right to sleep safe at night without someone invading your country and shooting you dead as you try to escape unarmed.

Those bodies we saw in the streets and videos of innocents being shot were not real?


And maybe if he said that it was because he believed like pretty much anyone else that Russia wouldn’t attack.

Despite everyone saying they were preparing
Wow!

It was at around the same time the food bank I work at started seeing Ukrainian refugees coming to our door in the uk and we were having to hand them food parcels because the poor bastards had had to run away and leave everything behind.

You know. I joined this site as I at first wanted to see the real life death and shitnyou don’t normally get to see.

More recently I have actually found myself checkign every day in the war section. Iv more or less stopped looking at the other parts of the site. And focused on the war part.

I have always thought this war could be the beginning of the end for everyone. And it gets my goat that the likes of yourself seem to be able to justify everything your leader does. It’s like you cannot see the wood for the trees.

Edit

What I mean by that is you seem to justify everything that is inherently bad about Russia. Which is a shame.

I’ll continue to enjoy watching the invaders get the shit blown out of their assholes as they lay freezing to death slowly in holes because they go blindly into a war that they have been lied to about. And I’ll continue tonahve the opinion that what Russia is has done and is doing is wrong.

No amount of news or links from anyone will co vince me that this ain’t the opinion to have.

I would much rather it all stopped before it gets out of hand. Although sadly I think we are already past that point

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

Or maybe he was thinking let’s not cause country wide panic. The Russians wouldn’t possibly start coming in and shooting unarmed civilians on the street as they tried to escape.

Beside the Russians have said that it was just an exercise and any idea of them starting an attack was purely fairytales and lies.

Funny how only a few days later they did just that.

Wouldn’t it have been nice ifThey hadn’t attacked.

Sorry mate. I can’t believe you would say that. Doesn’t everyone have a right to sleep safe at night without someone invading your country and shooting you dead as you try to escape unarmed.

Those bodies we saw in the streets and videos of innocents being shot were not real?


And maybe if he said that it was because he believed like pretty much anyone else that Russia wouldn’t attack.

Despite everyone saying they were preparing
Wow!

It was at around the same time the food bank I work at started seeing Ukrainian refugees coming to our doors in the uk and we were having to hand them food parcels because the poor bastards had had to run away and leave everything behind.

It is outlined in the article, which you really should read if you care about or want to understand any of this.

(Btw I donated some of my consoles to a refugee center which (also) houses Ukrainian refugees, but great that you were also helping with the food bank. Imagine zelensky putting a signature on no nato membership and honouring the Minsk agreements. We would have never had this conversation )

[pervM]

I don't really understand the argument about whether Zelenskyi is a dictator or corrupt or not. He is. Ukraine is a corrupt country, theres no denying that. Ukraine has not been permitted to join EU precisely for these reasons. Zelenskyi purging some of the most corrupt members of his staff seems like the first babysteps towards trying to appeal to the western trade coalitions.

Majority of the western world are not supporting Ukraine because ukrainians, they're supporting Ukraine because Russia is much, MUCH worse in every way. Those shilling for Russia tend to forget with their whataboutisms, that Zelenskyi could be the single most corrupt person on the planet but it STILL does not give Russia the right to invade the country. Russia is the villain in this war, theres no denying that either.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by pervM ↗

I don't really understand the argument about whether Zelenskyi is a dictator or corrupt or not. He is. Ukraine is a corrupt country, theres no denying that. Ukraine has not been permitted to join EU precisely for these reasons. Zelenskyi purging some of the most corrupt members of his staff seems like the first babysteps towards trying to appeal to the western trade coalitions.

Majority of the western world are not supporting Ukraine because ukrainians, they're supporting Ukraine because Russia is much, MUCH worse in every way. Those shilling for Russia tend to forget with their whataboutisms, that Zelenskyi could be the single most corrupt person on the planet but it STILL does not give Russia the right to invade the country. Russia is the villain in this war, theres no denying that either.

It is called a pre-emptive strike against a country that was killing its own civilians for years and was gearing up and being trained and armed by the west towards the goal of attacking Russian soil (Crimea).

Also it will take 200 more years before Russia has the same number of civilian casualties in Ukraine compared to Iraq. Russia is showing extreme restraint compared to the recent modern illegal invasions committed by western armies, IMO.

[Rikbikboo]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

It is called a pre-emptive strike against a country that was killing its own civilians for years and was gearing up and being trained and armed by the west towards the goal of attacking Russian soil (Crimea).

Also it will take 200 more years before Russia has the same number of civilian casualties in Ukraine compared to Iraq. Russia is showing extreme restraint compared to the recent modern illegal invasions committed by western armies, IMO.

Now this I believe. However, if the current situation is using restraint. I’d hate to see what going all out was like.

However. When you say preemptive strike. Preemptive to what. They had already gone in and taken Crimea illegally.

From my point of view however uneducated from what I have seen it seems to me that the attack was wrong.

At the same time I understand the thing about NATO expanding But. If a county wished to join as long as they don’t start crossing Russian borders there was no right for Russia to attack Ukraine other than the bullshit excuses that you really seem to fight for here.

Props for doing so. Though. Everyone is allowed an opinion and it’s not for anyone to judge for it. Even if I think you’re wrong. I’m interested to see the other sides point. As long as it doesn’t involve us being blown out or our nice warm houses eh.

The other thing is. I will check your links. I have always said I always found Putin to be a great orator I actually believed a lot of what he said. But I don’t agree with bombing and trying to freeze people to death in order to reach your goals. Killing civvies isn’t the way to go you’ll only make them want to fight back more.
Same as I do think the USA blew the gas line up. Why blow your own line up when you have the tap at your end. Nah. That one didn’t wash at all

[Wailode]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Lol, I am with you but do you even know who you are talking to?? Most of them are Americans

That maybe explains why are they so out of touch with reality Did you saw their generall Milley ? or whats his name lol, he openly declared that Ukraine already won. It's classic example of USA leadership in military. Clown nation. USA is biggest propaganda push in this war. They live in simple denial about like 90 percent of things that happened or are happening.

Whiskey and his group of dictator worshippers. They will even deny any victims 2014-2022 and shelling, attacks that happened and killed many of ua citizens, like people who denied holocaust. Sad state of ignorance. Not worth serious discussion with these clowns. Just look at their leadership and media. Empire of lies. Only thing they can do is being offended by truth and try to censore everything. But if they attack u personally or act like fools, its ok. Pure hypocrisy.