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Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

What questions ? Can you be specific ? You straight up denying that there were atrocities made by ukraine regime 2014-2022 by some joke article full of propaganda and you still want me to take you seriously ? How should I react to your dream reality of propaganda denying historical facts that were well documented from more objective perspective ?

I am open for debate, but with sane individuals. Not with someone who denying basic premises of why war even happened. Thats just pure delusion.

I have addressed that here. It's very clear you don't read responses, I'm not going to hold your hand and re-list questions and relevant responses. Try reading instead of just listing off things you copied off a website and pasted it here.

You say you're up for debate but it's clear you really aren't.

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Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

I am not satisfied with any war. I am against it and from first week I was pushing idea of peace agreements and talk points that can result in diplomacy of some sort. Problem is that by sending weapons and not recognizing crimes of ukraine regime collective west escalated this war quickly and blamed russia for everything, not recognizing own faults and mistakes.

"Problem is that by sending weapons and not recognizing crimes of ukraine regime collective west escalated this war quickly and blamed russia for everything"

Russia is to be blamed for everything. Thats just the reality.
Who invaded Ukraine? Russia.
Who meddled with Ukrainian politics and funded militant groups to start a war in Ukraine? Russia.

Who dragged their feet and didnt provide quick support to Ukraine...the collective West. Who still...to this day hasnt enforced a " no fly zone " over Ukraine? The collective west.
The west hasnt escalated anything...they were dragging their feet and only reacted to the invasion from the East.

Maidan revolution was unarmed protest against the corrupt government...not a coup. Go google what the word coup means.
Revolution = masses of people fighting against the government.
Coup = small group of powerful people(usually religious groups or militias ) taking power by force.
Russian anexation in Chrimea was a coup. It was carried out by military.
Donbass power grab was a coup. It was carried out by armed groups backed by Russia.


The solution to this conflict would have been very easy.
Russians who dont like living in Ukraine will move to Russia.
With the money spent on this war(now and in the future), Russia could have built entire brand new cities in Russia, and just given free housing to all the Russians who felt uncomfortalble in Ukraine.
Only in Russia, there is this wide spread idea that its not the people who need to return to their motherland, but the "rodunu" must go to the people.

I know Russian bots would say "...well, why should Russians leave the country and go to Russia."

And the answer is simple: "because they are apparently uncomfortable in their current country and everything is better in Russia."
The fact that people in Eastern Ukraine didn't leave the country shows that life wasnt as uncomfortable as Russian media makes it out to be. There was no "genocide". Ukraine wasnt persecuting Russians etc. It's proven by the fact that there was no mass emigration(before the war)....the way there was when Russia enforced mobilizaiton. Think about it. Close to a million people left Russia because they didnt want to get drafted. Now, imagine how many people would leave the country if they were being actively chaced and murdered.
You can look at the number of refugees and measure the discomfort of people to evaluate the claims of "genocide".

Russia, with its war has caused around 8 000 000 refugees.
How many refugees were there before Russia started the war in donbass?

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I'm blue in the face... so NEXT!

"Kamikaze Drone FPV similator"

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In the southern Kherson Oblast, during the construction of army fortifications on the banks of the Dnipro river - Ukrainian border guards found the remains of an ancient Roman or Greek (Hellenistic) settlement with broken pottery from Antiquity.

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Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

Read to learn with understanding. Me explaining ideology or leaning of many ukraine poeple and their leadership doesnt mean I hate them. For the most of it I am sure there are many nice and awfull people in every part of the world. I believe there are many heroes and scumbags on the both sides. World is not black and white and we are not kids.. Discussion is not about this. Its about topic that ukraine is very leaning into this prototype of shovinism with made her this reputation. And this shovinism and hatred started mostly in ukraine against its russian speaking civilians, not in russia. Not saying that russians doesnt have also this type of people, but they are not glorifying it.. and thats big difference. For example making Stephan Bandera national hero is huge historical mistake and provocation. Not just for Russia, but also for Poland or Slovakia. Countries who were historically attacked by ukraine during and post WW2.

Political shovinism and historical grievances are very dangerous thing because they can easily escalate into larger scale conflicts.

This unit is medicated for sure !

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Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

You clearly live in dream world and never even visited ukraine. I know many people who directly lived there for years. Ukraine is hub of corruption and chaos. Its one on the most poor countries and west took advantage of it for many years. A lot of westerners are rusophobic and idealize ukraine as narrative dictates. They dont realize that ukraine is compared to Russia, economically and in law like smaller and more naughty brother that is even more corrupted with influence of west. Especially democrats.

For them it was always about money, power and land. Thats why they cant understand moral and cultural side of this problem. Accusing others of what you and your politics do. Its childish mentality. Just look at how many color wars were started under collective west and its imperialism.

You will find any excuse for why ukraine have to prolong war and act like heroes, but in reality its due to people like you that war continues. You fuel war propaganda and cheer ukraine to fight russians even when in the end, its clear that they cant win and this false narative soon or later crumbles. Karma will caught up to everyone. Same as lies and false flags of eu "diplomacy". Its strange, but somehow one form of evil is always caught up with another one. And here we are in escalating war tensions.

As I mentioned above. Its better to listen to reasonable people then these people on western propaganda copium. Good thing is that a lot of people in EU, USA and middle europe got already sense on what is really happening.

Your brain needs to be examined as you clearly believe in your own hypocrisy, or you have been assessed & missed your medications today & for the week it looks like. I'd say that what's really eating you up inside is the fact that your pro ruskie ideals aren't really working out & this is quite evident by your daily toxic narcissistic vomit trying to suggest that everything is the west's fault. I suppose when you're finally getting your asses kicked you personally realize that the game is up, you & your kind spew shit to try & make yourselves feel better about the situation !

There is "NO JUST CAUSE" for Putin to "INVADE" Ukraine except "GREED" & you trying to say that the west is responsible for it is

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Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

Zelensky’s interview on August 5, 2021 was a high point in this regard. In it, he told everyone who feels Russian to leave for Russia for the good of their children and grandchildren.

I think that the decisions made by the people in a number of Ukrainian regions to hold referendums are a response to his wishes.
Ukraine is intensifying the persecution of dissidents under the pretext of countering “the Russian aggression” and “separatism.” A ban on the activities of 11 political parties was imposed last March under the pretext that they were “tied to Russia.” The leading opposition television channels that broadcasted in Russian were shut down long ago. Websites that the government finds objectionable are being blocked. Journalists are harassed for attempts to express an alternative view on what is happening. Prominent Ukrainian public figure Yelena Berezhnaya is in a Ukrainian Security Service dungeon. She repeatedly spoke at the UN and the OSCE about the growth of neo-Nazism in Ukraine.

We have no doubt that Ukraine has finally turned into a Nazi-style totalitarian state where standards of international humanitarian law are trampled underfoot with impunity. It is no surprise that the Ukrainian armed forces and nationalist battalions resort to terrorist tactics and use civilians as “living shields.”

The position of the states that are pumping Ukraine with weapons and combat equipment and training its armed forces is particularly cynical against this backdrop. The goal is obvious (they declare it rather than hide it) – to drag out the hostilities as much as possible despite the human losses and destruction in order to exhaust and weaken Russia. This implies the direct involvement of Western countries in the Ukrainian conflict, which is turning them into its party. The deliberate fuelling of this conflict by the collective West also goes without consequence. Indeed, they won’t punish themselves, will they?

We have no illusions that today the armed forces of Russia and the defenders of the DPR and the LPR are opposed not only by the neo-Nazi units of the Kiev regime but also by the war machine of the “collective West”. NATO is supplying the Ukrainian armed forces with real-time intelligence information using modern systems, aircraft, ships, satellites and strategic drones. Ukraine is incited to defeat Russia on the battlefield (as EU officials openly say) and Russia must be deprived of any sovereignty by way of punishment. This is no longer latent racism. It is as overt as it can be.

Vladimir Zelensky is rejoicing at the efficiency of Western arms against the background of massive shelling of residential areas in Donbass. This is a quote: “Finally, we feel that Western artillery has become very powerful – these are weapons we received from our Western partners. This accuracy is exactly what we need,” said the cynical leader of this state entity. Meanwhile, no military or strategic targets were hit during this shelling of residential areas. The suffering is befalling civilians in Donbass.

Since late July, the Ukrainian armed forces have scattered prohibited anti-personnel Petal mines over the centre of Donetsk and its suburbs. The use of these mines is a crude violation of the 1997 convention on the prohibition of anti-personnel mines, which Ukraine ratified in 2005, as well as the second protocol to the Geneva convention on conventional arms (that bans mines without a self-destruct device).

Such outrages have become possible and remain unpunished because the United States and its allies have consistently covered up the crimes of the Kiev regime for eight years with the connivance of international human rights institutions. They have built their policy on Zelensky based on the notorious American principle: “Sure, he is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch.”
The uncomfortable truth, smearing Ukraine’s luminous image as a victim of Russian aggression, is being meticulously hushed up and sometimes openly deleted. Even the Western human rights organisation Amnesty International that can hardly be suspected of sympathising with Russia, was subjected to severe criticism and blacklisted as a Kremlin agent. It was punished just for confirming in its report the commonly known facts about Kiev deploying artillery and heavy weapons at civilian facilities.

The criminal shelling of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant by the Kiev regime militants, which creates the risk of a nuclear disaster, remains unpunished. The shelling continues despite the fact that the IAEA staff has been present at the station since September 1, and it is not hard to identify the party responsible for the shelling.
Let me remind you that the IAEA mission’s visit to the Zaporozhye NPP was artificially delayed. The details of the visit were agreed upon on June 3, and the mission could have safely gone there. Later, an unseemly situation arose where the UN Secretariat’s Department of Safety and Security refused to greenlight a particular route that had been agreed upon by Russia and the IAEA. Then it claimed that the IAEA would determine the mission’s parameters on its own. These unseemly proceedings pushed the IAEA mission’s visit to the Zaporozhye NPP back by three months.

The fate of the Russian troops who ended up in the hands of Ukrainian nationalists is something that is of great concern to us. There is ample evidence of abusive treatment, including out-of-court killings in violation of international humanitarian law. I’m sure that everyone who is interested in what is actually happening in Ukraine has seen videos of the Russian prisoners of war being killed by Ukrainian Nazis. They threw the POWs to the ground with their hands tied behind their backs and shot them in the head. Have any of the countries represented here commented on this crime?
We have a great amount of evidence of these and other crimes regularly committed by the Kiev regime since 2014. In cooperation with their colleagues from the DPR and the LPR, Russian law enforcement agencies record and investigate these crimes. Over 220 individuals have been identified, including representatives of the high command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and military unit commanders, those who were involved in shooting civilians.
Criminal cases are being investigated involving citizens of Great Britain, Canada, the United States, and the Netherlands regarding the facts of mercenary activities and the perpetration of criminal acts in Ukraine. Rest assured that all those responsible, regardless of their nationality, will be held accountable.

Once again, I would like you to take note of the following: Russian and Ukrainian negotiators almost agreed on the settlement terms proposed by Kiev in Istanbul in late March, but tragic events unfolded in Bucha a couple of days later. No one has any doubts that it was a staged performance. Right after this staged act became publicly known, our Western colleagues went hysterical and imposed another package of sanctions on the Russian Federation accusing us of killing civilians. No one has ever mentioned Bucha since the time this propagandistic effect was achieved. No one, but us. Once again, in the presence of the Secretary-General and esteemed ministers, I’m asking you to please get the Ukrainian authorities to take the elementary step of releasing the names of the people whose corpses were shown in Bucha. I’ve been asking for this for several months now. No one seems to hear me or is willing to respond.

I will respond with, Hey Putinist "GO FUCK YOURSELF"

Your a clown !

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[QUOTE=Wailode;7765236]I am not satisfied with any war. I am against it and from first week I was pushing idea of peace agreements and talk points that can result in diplomacy of some sort.

So, you were pushing for peace from the first week of this war were you ! Is that back in 2014 as stated earlier by you or in Feb dip shit.

Hypocrite 101

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As we welcome Russia's new ambassador to DR, Comrade Wailode, please keep in mind to excuse him his transgressions. His skull plates never stitched together after his birth, so everything just kind of floats in a skin sack. When he scratches his head it looks like hitting a jello mold with a spatula. He's a bit feeble-minded but very loyal, his group home time in Dolphin Prison taught him to praise Mother Russia regardless of what's actually right or wrong. He was denied a position fighting in the Donbas because he was declared too observably stupid to point his weapon in the proper direction, so they sent him instead to Troll Boot Camp, which assigned him here.

Good luck, Comrade Wailode! You're gonna need it.

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