[Wailode]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Yeah... he lost me at saying something about Ukraine being more corrupt and crooked than Russia.

Yet another bullshit guise to excuse what Russia is doing. I don't understand why people can't just admit what this is really about. Fear, resources, land, power and antiquated ideals of the Soviet era.

I can't respect or even begin to want to debate with lies, innuendo, and excuses.

You clearly live in dream world and never even visited ukraine. I know many people who directly lived there for years. Ukraine is hub of corruption and chaos. Its one on the most poor countries and west took advantage of it for many years. A lot of westerners are rusophobic and idealize ukraine as narrative dictates. They dont realize that ukraine is compared to Russia, economically and in law like smaller and more naughty brother that is even more corrupted with influence of west. Especially democrats.

For them it was always about money, power and land. Thats why they cant understand moral and cultural side of this problem. Accusing others of what you and your politics do. Its childish mentality. Just look at how many color wars were started under collective west and its imperialism.

You will find any excuse for why ukraine have to prolong war and act like heroes, but in reality its due to people like you that war continues. You fuel war propaganda and cheer ukraine to fight russians even when in the end, its clear that they cant win and this false narative soon or later crumbles. Karma will caught up to everyone. Same as lies and false flags of eu "diplomacy". Its strange, but somehow one form of evil is always caught up with another one. And here we are in escalating war tensions.

As I mentioned above. Its better to listen to reasonable people then these people on western propaganda copium. Good thing is that a lot of people in EU, USA and middle europe got already sense on what is really happening.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

(Long post that reflects little reality and is full of Rus propaganda)

Yeah... no. Some points in there had some basis in reality but those were drowned out by pro Rus garbage.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

You clearly live in dream world and never even visited ukraine. I know many people who directly lived there for years. Ukraine is hub of corruption and chaos. Its one on the most poor countries and west took advantage of it for many years. A lot of westerners are rusophobic and idealize ukraine as narrative dictates. They dont realize that ukraine is compared to Russia, economically and in law like smaller and more naughty brother that is even more corrupted with influence of west. Especially democrats.

For them it was always about money, power and land. Thats why they cant understand moral and cultural side of this problem. Accusing others of what you and your politics do. Its childish mentality. Just look at how many color wars were started under collective west and its imperialism.

You will find any excuse for why ukraine have to prolong war and act like heroes, but in reality its due to people like you that war continues. You fuel war propaganda and cheer ukraine to fight russians even when in the end, its clear that they cant win and this false narative soon or later crumbles. Karma will caught up to everyone. Same as lies and false flags of eu "diplomacy". Its strange, but somehow one form of evil is always caught up with another one. And here we are in escalating war tensions.

As I mentioned above. Its better to listen to reasonable people then these people on western propaganda copium. Good thing is that a lot of people in EU, USA and middle europe got already sense on what is really happening.

False.

How's the war going for the second greatest army in the world, you know the one they (mostly) started?

And a pro-Rus lecturing others on morality and culture. That's rich

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Here's a totally not tone-deaf Russian with his fingers firmly on reality. I sure hope Solovyov has a good pair of running shoes when this is over with.

[Wailode]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

False.

How's the war going for the second greatest army in the world, you know the one they (mostly) started?

And a pro-Rus lecturing others on morality and culture. That's rich

What is false ? Sorry I dont live in your mind to understand claim for you conclusions.

I also dont believe in collective morality/sin - thats more like medieval psychology for peasants. Morality can be reasonably applied only to individual and his actions and beliefs.

Its like when you support football team, you dont become them

Same is it with politics and nationalism. And about culture, collective west is now struggling a lot. Everyone can see it clearly. I hightly doubt they are now capable of something big or collective action in big scale. Highly disorganized culture of decadence and materialism without self-reflection for many individuals. This forum and people in it is also proof of it.

[Wailode]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Here's a totally not tone-deaf Russian with his fingers firmly on reality. I sure hope Solovyov has a good pair of running shoes when this is over with.

This man is evil and classic type of brute nationalism in practise. He is very similar to many warmongers in west. That's why they hate him so. Its their mirror on the wall

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

Lying is on both fronts. For example both ukraine and russia lying about casaulties. Its part of proxy warfare. Problem is when its beyond believable straight-up bullshiting with ukraine do a lot in cases I mentioned above. Straight up out of reality lies and false flags all the time. Thats why Zelensky lost all credibility and most of people now in balkan and east from czech see him as another dictator or extremist who cant find reason for diplomacy of any sort.


All he knows is asking for endless suport and others to fight for him and his ideals about "democracy" with is total joke when we look at Ukraine and its corruption. People joke about him everywhere here. Maybe you dont know how facebook or telegram looks like in eastern countries, but here its totally different then for example , facebook or twitter in canada.


Also its a lot different with Putin. He is still viewed as reasonable leader. He is even critized in russia that he was slow and soft with these criminals in ukraine. Still he raised in popularity even against all odds and biggest propaganda machine from west.

People can see throught it easily. Truth is also that russians will not back-down from this. I saw many ukraine people and their nature first hand. Russians will not tolerate this. Its existential for them. Westerners have problems to realize this. For them its just another color revolution. For russians is matter of defense and liberation of their own man.

Ukraine is full of neo-nazis and shovinistic people who for decades put all dirt on their russian neighbours. Its even worse then antisemitism. They call them pigs, orcs and many of captured soldiers got cut off genitelia etc. not mentioning executions. And worse thing is that they are teaching this nonsense mentality even to children. Now they strike donbass on daily basis. Ukraine will never again be whole as borders are now. Crimes that were done under this regime will be remembered for decades. So many good people who were more moderate and less shovinistic fell under this trap of warmonger machine.

Banning of opposite parties, media, people who refused to bow down to far-right nationalism regime who worship bandera. Neo-nazi batalions who search houses like KGB in past and killing - torturing possible separatist or people who doesnt follow war narative. And all this supported by collective west from warm of far away home who doesnt have to see it first hand. But consequences of this failed diplomacy and supporting full-scale war will reach even west soon.


Mearsheimer is realist. Not some dreamer like most of fake news in western propaganda supported by democratic party and other warmongers. I remember first 3 months of brainwashing in CNN and other news. Every-day they called it unprovoken full scale war from day one. Straigh up lying. Not informing on anything and why it even happened. People were just used to fuel up propaganda of another war that was created by greedines and failed diplomacy of eu and west. Ukraine made many many mistakes and only fool doesnt see it. Not mentioning 8 long years of fight „against separatist“ circa 14k death people, 200 children or odessa massacre – burned corpses of „separatists“ or how they call them „terrorists“. For ukraine nazi regime is almost everyone who doesnt fall to their far right nacionalism terrorist. Its sad mentality.

Poland missile was clear false flag used by many politicians. Also information about bucha is now well known and documented. Lavrov talked about it a lot in OSN. Problem is that most of west is now rusophobic and is not capable of reasonable discussion without war propaganda. West sadly understand only argument ad baculum – argument of power and Russia is not scared of this confrontation. There is now 300 000 people on the field and more is coming. Balkan and eastern countries will not backdown and most of them are neutral due to western hypocricy and falling narative. Its very sad state of things and it cant be now finished just with diplomacy. It passed this point long time ago by sending weapons to ukraine. Backing down nazi-regime full of crimes was fatal mistake made by west.

Snake island was straight up lie, same as ghost of kiev and many more. All of this didnt helped to change narative. It backfired and ukraine lost almost all of credibility. They are maybe „heroes“ in canada or usa, maybe england.. but in middle or east europe people see bigger picture. Especially turkey, hungary, slovakia, czech and balkan are tired of this propaganda. Thats why some goverments were already removed and geopolitic shift happened. People now laugh on idea of „western democracy“. Its american dream that never worked. Just plain lies and bullshiting. Most color revolutions are about money, power and greedines.

And yeah. To quesiton where I am from. I am from Slovakia. I even work with some ukraine folks here. Some of them are really nice people but clearly you can find also many of them with shovinistic tendencies and rusophobia that is very deeply rotten and disgusting. Almost like possession and hatred. I dont have sympathy for people who base their life on hate and ethnic discrimination.

By far, some of the most robotic, emblematic absurdity I've seen in weeks.

The very last sentence tells me all I need to know about you. How poetically typical. Hypocritical paragraph after paragraph spewing accusations, hatred and loathing directed at an entire group of Ukrainian people and western people... then you have the balls to say you don't have sympathy for people who base their life on hate and ethnic discrimination.

Look in the mirror... pot meet kettle.

The end.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Here's a totally not tone-deaf Russian with his fingers firmly on reality. I sure hope Solovyov has a good pair of running shoes when this is over with.

Odd... I don't hear anything about Russian Nazism.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Odd... I don't hear anything about Russian Nazism.

He keeps whining about false flags. When Putin himself is the king of false flags. And I'm not even referring to this war.

[Wailode]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

By far, some of the most robotic, emblematic absurdity I've seen in weeks.

The very last sentence tells me all I need to know about you. How poetically typical. Hypocritical paragraph after paragraph spewing accusations, hatred and loathing directed at an entire group of Ukrainian people and western people... then you have the balls to say you don't have sympathy for people who base their life on hate and ethnic discrimination.

Look in the mirror... pot meet kettle.

The end.

Read to learn with understanding. Me explaining ideology or leaning of many ukraine poeple and their leadership doesnt mean I hate them. For the most of it I am sure there are many nice and awfull people in every part of the world. I believe there are many heroes and scumbags on the both sides. World is not black and white and we are not kids.. Discussion is not about this. Its about topic that ukraine is very leaning into this prototype of shovinism with made her this reputation. And this shovinism and hatred started mostly in ukraine against its russian speaking civilians, not in russia. Not saying that russians doesnt have also this type of people, but they are not glorifying it.. and thats big difference. For example making Stephan Bandera national hero is huge historical mistake and provocation. Not just for Russia, but also for Poland or Slovakia. Countries who were historically attacked by ukraine during and post WW2.

Political shovinism and historical grievances are very dangerous thing because they can easily escalate into larger scale conflicts.