[duntez]

Originally Posted by CockGobbler ↗

Or maybe it's because we need to maintain strategic war reserves for our own country and/or I think there's an export ban on tanks that contain depleted uranium being used as armor and also not sure if we're allowed to export them with chobham either.

well I dont think he meant "all" like everything you have. More like "all" that Zelenskiy or MOD of UA been asking for or something. And laws...you know, they can be changed if one really wanted to. Also, does all the tanks in US have uranium armor?

EDIT: and tanks was just an example. Ukrainians complains about shortage of all kind of weapons. its a NATO and they give not enough. So they say ( including my Ukranian parents in LAW) that either NATO is not what everyone think it is ( not so powerful, weak) or they dont want them to win Russia.

[CockGobbler]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

well I dont think he meant "all" like everything you have. More like "all" that Zelenskiy or MOD of UA been asking for or something. And laws...you know, they can be changed if one really wanted to. Also, does all the tanks in US have uranium armor?

EDIT: and tanks was just an example. Ukrainians complains about shortage of all kind of weapons. its a NATO and they give not enough. So they say ( including my Ukranian parents in LAW) that either NATO is not what everyone think it is ( not so powerful, weak) or they dont want them to win Russia.

Of course not all of them, but we need to maintain reserves in case we end up in war. It takes a very, very long time and a lot of resources to build a single tank. All countries maintain reserves. We also have them stored in various places around the planet. Around 25 years ago I was involved with rotating a collection of them out overseas to newer models...it's mind-boggling how much equipment a country possesses.

As for the tank armor, yes all of the M1 tanks have depleted uranium armor in them. The specifics are probably somewhere online if you wanted to find them, but I'm not allowed to elaborate. Unless something has changed in the past decade, there was an export ban on tanks with DU armor, so the exports probably use tungsten as a replacement for the DU (but I'm not familiar with the export tank's armor beyond that)

[duntez]

Originally Posted by CockGobbler ↗

Of course not all of them, but we need to maintain reserves in case we end up in war. It takes a very, very long time and a lot of resources to build a single tank. All countries maintain reserves. We also have them stored in various places around the planet. Around 25 years ago I was involved with rotating a collection of them out overseas to newer models...it's mind-boggling how much equipment a country possesses.

As for the tank armor, yes all of the M1 tanks have depleted uranium armor in them. The specifics are probably somewhere online if you wanted to find them, but I'm not allowed to elaborate. Unless something has changed in the past decade, there was an export ban on tanks with DU armor, so the exports probably use tungsten as a replacement for the DU (but I'm not familiar with the export tank's armor beyond that)

well, over $600 billions annual military budget, go figure

Yeah ban is still in place, they've removed uranium plates before sending M1s to UA. I just didn't know if all of them has it or maybe its M1A2 only. Thanks for clarifying

[CockGobbler]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

well, over $600 billions annual military budget, go figure

Yeah ban is still in place, they've removed uranium plates before sending M1s to UA. I just didn't know if all of them has it or maybe its M1A2 only. Thanks for clarifying

I was on the A1 and A2, both had them. I believe the very first M1 did not, and those are the ones they use to export.

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

well, over $600 billions annual military budget, go figure

Yeah ban is still in place, they've removed uranium plates before sending M1s to UA. I just didn't know if all of them has it or maybe its M1A2 only. Thanks for clarifying

A second thing is that with the DU armor, that could also create an issue with saying it's potentially nuclear trading between countries. The same thing happened when Russia said if we send them our war sabot for the M1 that would be taken as a nuclear aggression since the sabot round we use also contains DU. So they had to pull that back and send them the old tungsten carbide versions of the weapon.

It's unlikely that defensive armor would be considered as such, but that's not a topic that you want to be uncertain about.

[kellyhound]

Also what WO was talking about and being a major reason:

WHY THE U.S. KEPT SAYING NO
The Abrams’ jet engine needs hundreds of gallons of fuel to operate.

It will burn through fuel at a rate of at least two gallons per mile (4.7 liters per kilometer), whether the tank is moving or idling, Butler said, which means a constant supply convoy of fuel trucks must stay within reach so it can keep moving forward.

The U.S. worried that the fuel demands would create a logistical nightmare for Ukrainian forces. While an Abrams can storm through the snow and mud, fuel trucks can’t. In addition, like any jet engine, the Abrams’ turbine needs air to breathe, which it sucks in through filtered rear vents. When those vent filters get clogged — whether by sand, as soldiers reported to GAO in 1992, or by debris they might encounter in Ukraine — they can’t perform.

“The Abrams tank is a very complicated piece of equipment. It’s expensive, it’s hard to train on. ... It is not the easiest system to maintain. It may or may not be the right system,” The under secretary of defense for policy, Colin Kahl, told reporters last week at the Pentagon.

The Abrams also will require months of training. Ukrainian forces will have to learn how to operate its more complex systems, and how to keep it running and fueled.

Maybe they're also afraid that due to this many will get lost and fall in russian hands. Same goes for f-16's. One flight hour needs 17 hours of maintenance plus experienced trained pilots.

F-16s perform their tasks in quite difficult environments that put a lot of stress on different parts and systems. All of these rapid climbs, figures and maneuvers in the air, hard landings, etc. put stresses on the aircraft and result in wear and tear that needs to be addressed.

The F-16 needs to be operational and able to perform its tasks very well. If it is not properly maintained, it may not be ready to pounce into action as soon as such need arises.

Also, there are some simple routine tasks that also take time. For example, jet fighters need to be refuelled, cleaned, and pilot oxygen bottles need to be charged. Heck, you even need to replace tires and change the oil sometimes.

And some jobs are a bit more major. Engines need some work done from time to time because of broken hoses or some other parts wearing out. If the engine of the F-16 needs to be removed, it takes longer.

This is important to understand – while 17 man-hours are an average for one hour of flight, regular maintenance doesn’t take that long. Just those bigger repairs are pushing this average way up. Furthermore, it is not “hours” – it is “man-hours”. As several technicians are working on the plane at the same time, it can be prepared for the next mission quite quickly.

Problem is you need those skilled technicians and spare parts etc. If this isin't the case they run the risk of losing the planes and then it looks like the west has lousy planes, which isn't the case.

[Guns N' Coffee]

https://www.businessinsider.com/puti...eports-2023-11

The Kremlin is concerned that the disgruntled wives and relatives of conscripted soldiers unhappy with long deployments could become a significant political headache, reports say.

On Saturday, a UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) intelligence update on X, said, "The Russian authorities are likely attempting to quash public dissent by wives of deployed Russian soldiers, including by attempting to pay them off and discrediting them online."

Two sources in federal and regional authorities told the Russian opposition outlet Verstka that to prevent the women's discontent from bubbling over, and regional officials were instructed to give soldiers' salary payments to their wives as quickly as possible.

The outlet reported that the Kremlin believes most wives are more concerned about the paycheck than their husbands returning from war.

The report comes after the wives of deployed soldiers held a rare public protest in Moscow on November 7.

Earlier, the UK MoD said the women gathered in the city's Teatralnaya Square with banners demanding their husbands be rotated away from the front line, but police broke it up "within minutes."

"The apparently indefinitely extended combat deployments of personnel without rotation is increasingly seen as unsustainable by both the troops themselves and by their relatives," the MoD said.

In its latest briefing note, the MoD cited that On 27 November 2023, a prominent online group for soldiers' wives published a manifesto against "indefinite mobilization." Days later, the group was pinned with a "fake" warning label – likely at the instigation of pro-Kremlin actors, it said.

"The authorities are likely particularly sensitive to any protests related to those citizens mobilized in September 2022, who have now been at the front line for over a year," the MoD said.

Officials were also instructed to prevent protests from spreading at a three-day conference near Moscow, the Times of London reported, citing reporting by the Russian outlet The Insider.

They were told: "Persuade, promise, pay. Anything, as long as it doesn't go out onto the street, in any quantity, even 50 people."

Recent requests by soldiers' wives to hold protests in Moscow and St. Petersburg have been denied.

The Kremlin appears to be increasingly concerned with public discontent, especially with Russian presidential elections taking place in March 2024.

They are "inexplicably concerned," the think tank The Institute for the Study of War said in a recent update, considering "apparent widespread Russian approval" of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The Levada Center, an independent Russian polling organization, said that 82% of surveyed Russians approve of Putin as of October 2023.

Some analysts have said the accuracy of these polls is unclear because many may fear expressing opposition to Putin.

But Putin faces no serious threats at the ballot box because of long-term crackdowns on the opposition and the prevalence of state-controlled media.

But in previous Russian conflicts in Afghanistan and Chechnya, wives and mothers of mobilized soldiers have proved influential in shaping public opinion, and analysts believe Putin fears they could become the kernel of an anti-war movement.

"In a country without an independent media or other effective systems of government oversight, and that has repressive state policies toward all kinds of civil society activism, mothers and wives are really the only legitimate critics of the military," openDemocracy, an independent international-media platform, wrote.

The war in Ukraine has put Putin under pressure, with international sanctions hitting the economy and the partial mobilization of more than 300,000 reservists sparking protests in September 2022.

The chair of Russia's Central Election Commission, Ella Pamfilova, made claims this week about Russians who have left the country trying to discredit the upcoming elections.

The Institute for the Study of War said Pamfilova's statements suggest "the Russian government will continue to intensify censorship efforts under the guise of fighting attempted internal election meddling ahead of the presidential elections."

[Roosta]

Maye they should drop a few of those dildos over mother russia.

[Guns N' Coffee]

Originally Posted by Roosta ↗

Maye they should drop a few of those dildos over mother russia.

That could have dangerous and unpredictable consequences, the women might not need the men (soldiers) to come back.

[WonderMomma]

"Top collaborator "Ilya Kiva" eliminated

One of the biggest scum-traitors was shot dead in the village of Suponeve, Odintsovo district, near Moscow. The elite cottage town of Agalarov Estate is located there, where the collaborator lived.

"And such a fate will befall other traitors of Ukraine, as well as the followers of the Putin regime," said Andriy Yusov, a representative of the press service of the Main Intelligence Directorate.

The former deputy from the Ilya Kiva district fled to Moscow in the beginning of the full-scale invasion by Russia. He actively advocated the occupation of Ukraine and engaged in Kremlin propaganda.

The Ukrainian court sentenced Kiva in absentia to 14 years in prison for treason.

This operation was developed and implemented by the Security Service of Ukraine under the personal leadership of Vasyl Malyuk."

"Ilya Kiva's last post before he was eliminated by the Security Service of Ukraine:

"It is better for Zelensky to commit suicide now, as the losers have always done, in order to take all the problems with him and close the issue. But he is too cowardly and narcissistic for such actions.""

[Guns N' Coffee]

Fixed:



"It is better for Putin to commit suicide now, as the losers have always done, in order to take all the problems with him and close the issue. But he is too cowardly and narcissistic for such actions.""