[v1r]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

Not the water cooler v1r.

Correct Vincent.

[akyan]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

So you support Russias invasion?

Ukraine is trying to supports it's own sovereignty through aid from EU and USA, Russia is unable to enforce it's sovereignty so far after years of fighting but it's slowly and painfully clawing it's way there.

This is not right or wrong it's just fact of whats going on.

I will humor you and say Palestine is trying but failing to enforce any kind of sovereignty over its land. In reality Palestine does not exist, it's not even a debate of Taiwan's existence, which is questionable whether there will be military aid from foreign nations. NO ONE is coming to help so call Palestine nor does it have a military force remotely close to be able to defend itself if Israel decided to just take the land.

Before you say "other country's support", in what form???? words???? ya that will save Palestine for sure... "no, please, don't kill them, oh no, this is terrible, that's it we shall formally recognize Palestine in our little UN club, wait, fuck we just got vetoed by USA, sorry buddy but UN is apparently located in New York City and USA said you can't come over, gluck."

Mean while Israel is fully capable of enforcing it's sovereignty over the land. Israel has a modern, experienced, and highly effective military/intelligence force, with the most powerful nation in the world as an ally that Will send military aid and Defend it if other countries decides to jump in. Not to mention the most Israel friendly president in my life time for the next 3 years+.

So ya, I say this ends heavily favoring Israel.

[zhazoo]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

How can you ever expect a people to not hold resentment...

No people, no resentment. Easy solution.

[houseoftechno]

Jerry Seinfeld speaks out about the meaning of ‘Free Palestine’: Be honest about your bigotry!

“Free Palestine is, to me, just—you’re free to say you don’t like Jews. Just say you don’t like Jews. By saying ‘Free Palestine,’ you’re not admitting what you really think. So it’s actually—compared to the Ku Klux Klan, I’m actually thinking the Klan is actually a little better here, because they can come right out and say, ‘We don’t like Blacks, we don’t like Jews.’ Okay that’s honest.”

[houseoftechno]

Damascus Syria: Sunni women, some armed and wearing Hamas headbands, waving the flags of "New Syria," chant in support of Hamas.

[houseoftechno]

Originally Posted by houseoftechno ↗

Damascus Syria: Sunni women, some armed and wearing Hamas headbands, waving the flags of "New Syria," chant in support of Hamas.

I just spotted that pale girl in a floppy white hat, who seems out of place. She is not chanting and looks bewildered. I hope not, but wonder if she is an abducted slave under the watchful eye of a militant matriarch.

[houseoftechno]

OMG, the uncanny resemblance of KIA Hamas commander Wael Mutrieh to Supreme Houti Feli al-Gruen al-Doma.

[kellyhound]

Donald Trump's plan to end the war in Gaza has been accepted by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, while Hamas is yet to issue an official response.

Here is the full text of the proposal, as provided by the White House:

1. Gaza will be a deradicalised terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.

2. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.

3. If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.

4. Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.

5. Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1,700 Gazans who were detained after 7 October 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.

6. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

7. Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the 19 January 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.

8. Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under 19 January 2025 agreement.

9. Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the "Board of Peace," which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of state to be announced, including Former Prime Minister Tony Blair. This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump's peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.

10. A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energise Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.

11. A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.

12. No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.

13. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarisation of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration programme all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbours.

14. A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas, and the factions, comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbours or its people.

15. The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilisation Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.

16. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the Unites States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

17. In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

18. An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.

19. While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

20. The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence.

[houseoftechno]

Never again should Israel turn over it's hard fought land to any other party. Just planting the seeds for the next Oct7 massacre.

[houseoftechno]

The Greta Flotilla Finally Nears Israeli Waters

Gaza flotilla rebuffs calls to stop, as Israel readies for complex interception
TOI 9/30/25

The large flotilla attempting to break the maritime blockade on the Gaza Strip rejected Italy’s calls to stop late Tuesday, saying it was nearing a “critical zone” and expecting Israel to take action soon to stop its advance.

Meanwhile, Israeli authorities have been readying to intercept the many vessels and take the hundreds of activists to shore to be deported or detained, in a complex operation that could potentially come to a head during Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year in Judaism, which starts Wednesday evening.

The 47-boat Global Sumud Flotilla is set to reach the Strip this week. It is carrying over 500 activists, including Swedish campaigner Greta Thunberg, as well as parliamentarians and lawyers.

The Israeli Navy is set to intercept the boats, and in the past has done so well before the activists were able to get close to Gaza’s coast. Israel has previously dismissed the flotillas as publicity stunts, and on Tuesday, it accused some key participants of having ties to Hamas.

The flotilla is approaching the 150-nautical-mile (172-mile, 278-kilometer) limit off Gaza’s Mediterranean coast. Flotilla participants told The Associated Press they expect Israeli authorities to intervene as they approach a “critical zone” late Tuesday. An Italian spokeswoman for the flotilla, Maria Elena Delia, said in a video on Instagram that “Israel will probably attack us tonight, because all the signals point to this happening.”

The Sumud flotilla is being escorted by one Spanish and two Italian navy vessels, which their respective governments have clarified are not expected to use military force.

The Italian defense ministry said on Tuesday that the country’s ships would stop following the flotilla once it gets within 150 nautical miles of the shore.

And Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni urged the flotilla to stop immediately, saying that the aid mission could undermine hopes for peace based on US President Donald Trump’s 20-point proposal for ending the war, rebuilding Gaza and moving toward limited Palestinian statehood.

The organizers claimed the Italian statements amounted to “sabotage.”

“[The Italian government] is choosing to escort us only to the point of danger and then try to peel us away, delivering us back to shore empty-handed, as Israel continues to slaughter and starve the Palestinian people with complete impunity,” the flotilla said in a statement. “We say again: the flotilla sails onward.”

IDF spokesman Brig. Gen. Effie Defrin said last week that the Navy was ready to intercept the boats, although he noted that it would be a greater challenge than past flotilla attempts due to the number of vessels.

Due to the large number of vessels, the Navy is expected to board the boats, detain the activists, and bring them to one large Navy ship, and from there, bring them to Ashdod Port to be deported from the country. Some of the activists’ vessels may be towed to Ashdod Port as well, though military sources said they expect that some may be sunk at sea by the Navy.