ISRAEL/PALESTINE/IRAN/LEBANON Conflict Discussion Thread VIII (2025)

[goatstroker]

Originally Posted by SDI

Couple of months ago it was the other way around: 70% females/children. Thats interesting.

It's very interesting. It's an admission of bullshit lies they've been promoting to help propagate support for their radicalized actions against innocent Israeli citizens, which led to the war and still continues to be a reason for bombings, etc. These fuckers just keep showing their true colors. Unfortunately they have a large following of retards even though they stole the USA aid packages and sold the supplies to gazans when they were paid for by american tax payers, while they still continue to shoot their own fucking people. I'd like to see their ministry of health put out statistics on how many gazans have been killed, wounded, tortured and extorted by hamas... I have dealt first hand with american intelligence agencies and I trust them 100%. I definitely don't trust shit that comes from hamas, as they aren't anything but a group of thugs that doesn't give two fucks about their own civilians.

[IvorySmith]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream

No one says they are missing adults. You're statements are absurd and bordering Willfully idiotic. But hey, anything to stay loyal to israel.

Israel has consistently been caught fabricating claims, and creating fake "crimes" to drive their genocide. But yeah, 100% blind faith in them from you. It's ridiculous. I know hamas is shit, and hamas makes shit up, but not all gazans are hamas. But your doctrine of no innocents in gaza speaks for itself. You embrace genocide, at least man up to it and admit you support the slaughter of men women and children just because they are Palestinians.

Please tell me how this war is genocide. Please explain it to me so that I can understand your point.

[Guns N' Coffee]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/05/middl...ntl/index.html

(Video available in above link)

Video showing final moments of Gaza emergency workers casts doubt on Israeli account of killings

A video has emerged showing the final moments of more than a dozen Palestinian emergency workers shot dead by Israeli troops in Gaza last month, casting doubt on Israeli claims that soldiers opened fire on vehicles “advancing suspiciously.”

The video is filmed from the front of a vehicle and shows a convoy of clearly marked ambulances moving along a road at dawn, with headlights and flashing emergency lights on.

The Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) says the video was found on the phone of one of the 15 ambulance and relief team members killed by the Israeli military.

Their bodies were found in a mass grave more than a week after they were reported as missing. Eight of the 14 bodies recovered from the site in the southern Rafah area were identified as members of the PRCS, five as civil defense, and one as a UN agency employee, PRCS said in a statement.

The deaths sparked international condemnation, and the footage appears to contradict the assertion by the Israeli military that some vehicles were moving suspiciously without lights.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) asserted last week that “several uncoordinated vehicles were identified advancing suspiciously toward IDF troops without headlights or emergency signals. IDF troops then opened fire at the suspected vehicles.”

After the video emerged, the IDF repeated that the incident was being investigated – the first results of which were presented internally on Sunday.

“All claims, including the documentation circulating about the incident, will be thoroughly and deeply examined to understand the sequence of events and the handling of the situation,” it said Saturday.

The video shows the convoy stopping when it comes across another vehicle at the side of the road – which the PRCS says was an ambulance that had been sent earlier to help injured civilians. Two of the rescuers who get out of the vehicles are wearing uniforms. A fire truck and an ambulance at the scene are marked with the PRCS insignia.

Almost immediately there is intense gunfire, which can be heard hitting the convoy. The video ends, but the audio continues for five minutes.

The paramedic filming, identified by the PRCS as Rifaat Radwan, is heard repeatedly saying the “shahada,” which Muslims recite when facing death. He asks God for forgiveness and says he knows he is going to die.

At one point he says: “Forgive me mom, this is the path I chose – to help people – I swear I didn’t choose this path but to help people.”

The voices of others in the convoy can also be heard, as well as those of people shouting commands in Hebrew. It’s not clear who they are or what they are saying.

The IDF said the findings of the investigation were presented to Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir on Sunday.

The investigation includes information from Israeli aerial surveillance video that has not been made public, an Israeli military official told CNN previously.

Asor began re-investigating the incident after footage emerged contradicting IDF soldiers’ description of the vehicles as moving with their lights off, the Israeli military official said. That information came directly from IDF soldiers involved in the attack, who initially testified that the ambulances had their lights off, the official said.

According to the military official, troops from the Golani infantry brigade had set up an ambush along a road in the early hours of March 23. Around 4:30 a.m., they opened fire on a first vehicle, killing two individuals and detaining another who the IDF claims were Hamas internal security officials. Roughly two hours later, at approximately 6 a.m., the ambulance convoy arrived in the area.

Soldiers were told by drone operators that the vehicles were advancing “in a suspicious manner,” the military official said, adding that soldiers involved in the attack claimed to investigators that they opened fire after being surprised by the convoy stopping on the side of the road and by individuals getting out of their vehicles quickly.

After seeing the bodies of more than a dozen uniformed emergency responders on the ground, the troops said they still believed they had successfully carried out the attack following efforts to verify the identities of some of the deceased, the military official said.

The Israeli military has yet to provide any evidence for its claim that nine of the emergency workers killed were militants.

The IDF said on April 1 that “following an initial assessment, it was determined that the forces had eliminated a Hamas military operative, Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki, who took part in the October 7 massacre, along with eight other terrorists from Hamas and the Islamic Jihad.” The IDF did not offer proof of the identity of the alleged terrorists.

CNN has obtained from the PRCS the names of 14 of those killed; none is identified as Mohammad Shubaki. The PRCS said the name of the fifteenth man killed – an UNRWA employee – was withheld out of respect for his family but was not the name given by the Israeli military.

An Israeli military official told CNN last week that Israeli forces buried the bodies of the workers because they expected it would take time to coordinate their retrieval with the PRCS and the United Nations. Israeli officials have not explained why their emergency vehicles were also buried, citing the ongoing investigation.

Satellite imagery from March 23, first published by Al Jazeera Arabic and analyzed by CNN, shows Israeli army vehicles surrounding a cluster of five ambulances from the PRCS and Civil Defense.

Another satellite image, also published by Al Jazeera and analyzed by CNN, dated March 25, shows an Israeli tank, an excavator, and other military vehicles at the same location.

Where the ambulances once stood, remnants of vehicles protruded from disturbed ground.

[IvorySmith]

Originally Posted by Guns N' Coffee

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/05/middl...ntl/index.html

(Video available in above link)

Video showing final moments of Gaza emergency workers casts doubt on Israeli account of killings

A video has emerged showing the final moments of more than a dozen Palestinian emergency workers shot dead by Israeli troops in Gaza last month, casting doubt on Israeli claims that soldiers opened fire on vehicles “advancing suspiciously.”

The video is filmed from the front of a vehicle and shows a convoy of clearly marked ambulances moving along a road at dawn, with headlights and flashing emergency lights on.

The Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) says the video was found on the phone of one of the 15 ambulance and relief team members killed by the Israeli military.

Their bodies were found in a mass grave more than a week after they were reported as missing. Eight of the 14 bodies recovered from the site in the southern Rafah area were identified as members of the PRCS, five as civil defense, and one as a UN agency employee, PRCS said in a statement.

The deaths sparked international condemnation, and the footage appears to contradict the assertion by the Israeli military that some vehicles were moving suspiciously without lights.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) asserted last week that “several uncoordinated vehicles were identified advancing suspiciously toward IDF troops without headlights or emergency signals. IDF troops then opened fire at the suspected vehicles.”

After the video emerged, the IDF repeated that the incident was being investigated – the first results of which were presented internally on Sunday.

“All claims, including the documentation circulating about the incident, will be thoroughly and deeply examined to understand the sequence of events and the handling of the situation,” it said Saturday.

The video shows the convoy stopping when it comes across another vehicle at the side of the road – which the PRCS says was an ambulance that had been sent earlier to help injured civilians. Two of the rescuers who get out of the vehicles are wearing uniforms. A fire truck and an ambulance at the scene are marked with the PRCS insignia.

Almost immediately there is intense gunfire, which can be heard hitting the convoy. The video ends, but the audio continues for five minutes.

The paramedic filming, identified by the PRCS as Rifaat Radwan, is heard repeatedly saying the “shahada,” which Muslims recite when facing death. He asks God for forgiveness and says he knows he is going to die.

At one point he says: “Forgive me mom, this is the path I chose – to help people – I swear I didn’t choose this path but to help people.”

The voices of others in the convoy can also be heard, as well as those of people shouting commands in Hebrew. It’s not clear who they are or what they are saying.

The IDF said the findings of the investigation were presented to Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir on Sunday.

The investigation includes information from Israeli aerial surveillance video that has not been made public, an Israeli military official told CNN previously.

Asor began re-investigating the incident after footage emerged contradicting IDF soldiers’ description of the vehicles as moving with their lights off, the Israeli military official said. That information came directly from IDF soldiers involved in the attack, who initially testified that the ambulances had their lights off, the official said.

According to the military official, troops from the Golani infantry brigade had set up an ambush along a road in the early hours of March 23. Around 4:30 a.m., they opened fire on a first vehicle, killing two individuals and detaining another who the IDF claims were Hamas internal security officials. Roughly two hours later, at approximately 6 a.m., the ambulance convoy arrived in the area.

Soldiers were told by drone operators that the vehicles were advancing “in a suspicious manner,” the military official said, adding that soldiers involved in the attack claimed to investigators that they opened fire after being surprised by the convoy stopping on the side of the road and by individuals getting out of their vehicles quickly.

After seeing the bodies of more than a dozen uniformed emergency responders on the ground, the troops said they still believed they had successfully carried out the attack following efforts to verify the identities of some of the deceased, the military official said.

The Israeli military has yet to provide any evidence for its claim that nine of the emergency workers killed were militants.

The IDF said on April 1 that “following an initial assessment, it was determined that the forces had eliminated a Hamas military operative, Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki, who took part in the October 7 massacre, along with eight other terrorists from Hamas and the Islamic Jihad.” The IDF did not offer proof of the identity of the alleged terrorists.

CNN has obtained from the PRCS the names of 14 of those killed; none is identified as Mohammad Shubaki. The PRCS said the name of the fifteenth man killed – an UNRWA employee – was withheld out of respect for his family but was not the name given by the Israeli military.

An Israeli military official told CNN last week that Israeli forces buried the bodies of the workers because they expected it would take time to coordinate their retrieval with the PRCS and the United Nations. Israeli officials have not explained why their emergency vehicles were also buried, citing the ongoing investigation.

Satellite imagery from March 23, first published by Al Jazeera Arabic and analyzed by CNN, shows Israeli army vehicles surrounding a cluster of five ambulances from the PRCS and Civil Defense.

Another satellite image, also published by Al Jazeera and analyzed by CNN, dated March 25, shows an Israeli tank, an excavator, and other military vehicles at the same location.

Where the ambulances once stood, remnants of vehicles protruded from disturbed ground.

That's horrible. Yet, it still doesn't make it a genocide; just makes it war. These idiots shouldn't be moving through a war zone as if they're invincible.
The IDF can do all it can to mitigate civilian casualties, but it's still up to the lower enlisted to follow the Geneva convention, and unfortunately, sometimes, it doesn't happen as we'd like.

[Rikbikboo]

I find it really difficult to support the idf when they are blowing up ambulances and emergency workers as we have seen recently. I refuse to believe that a country with some of the best weaponry on the planet time and time again keeps managing to kill civilians and keeps making mistakes, either the soldiers are taking it upon themselves to just shoot and bomb without discrimination or the orders come from above.

then they offer flat denials but when confronted with the camera footage admit and say they will "investigate"

stopping all food and water going in when there are millions going hungry and using the excuse that they are trying to get the militants is a bullshit excuse.

Hamas brought this on i agree and when you see the civvies dancing in the street celebrating you have to wonder who is worse. But if all your life all you have known is being oppressed and bullied you probably aint gonna be thinking straight.

If that little country had anything to offer the world you can be sure this wouldnt be happening. how western governments can sit back and allow it to go on is beyond me.

perhaps the jews need reminding of how they felt being bricked up in the ghettos in the 40's short of gassing the gazans they are repeating the same things that happened to them.

"The oppressed become the oppressors" dunno who said it but it comes to my mind every time i see it on the news.

Just hurry up already and get it finished.

[akyan]

you walk into a war zone... or drive into a war zone.... shit happens... what more do you want me to say? brave men trying to do their job and died in a war zone, same as a war correspondence becoming collateral. Everything else is face saving.

[SDI]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo

I find it really difficult to support the idf when they are blowing up ambulances and emergency workers as we have seen recently. I refuse to believe that a country with some of the best weaponry on the planet time and time again keeps managing to kill civilians and keeps making mistakes, either the soldiers are taking it upon themselves to just shoot and bomb without discrimination or the orders come from above.

then they offer flat denials but when confronted with the camera footage admit and say they will "investigate"

stopping all food and water going in when there are millions going hungry and using the excuse that they are trying to get the militants is a bullshit excuse.

Hamas brought this on i agree and when you see the civvies dancing in the street celebrating you have to wonder who is worse. But if all your life all you have known is being oppressed and bullied you probably aint gonna be thinking straight.

If that little country had anything to offer the world you can be sure this wouldnt be happening. how western governments can sit back and allow it to go on is beyond me.

perhaps the jews need reminding of how they felt being bricked up in the ghettos in the 40's short of gassing the gazans they are repeating the same things that happened to them.

"The oppressed become the oppressors" dunno who said it but it comes to my mind every time i see it on the news.

Just hurry up already and get it finished.

IDF has an own department to coordinate with NGOs, UN, Red Cross (Arab Red Crescent). To minimize the risks to become IDF targets.

Just driving into an active war zone without security assurances is dangerous. Earlier, the same unit had a shotout with a Hamas 'police' vehicle at the same spot, which likely made them especially trigger happy. Add to this that Hamas and PIJ evidently use ambulances and UN marked vehicles to move around. Every enlisted field soldier knows these stories and do what they have to do when they consider themselves under threat.

IDF claims that 8 of the killed ones had terrorist backgrounds. On telegram channels they also claim that two of the operatives of that smartphone vid were armed. If you go frame by frame you see them carrying long dark objects, the quality is poor, not sure about this. But imagine you're a soldier, you can't go frame by frame and make decisions, its a warzone.

Undenyably, perception and press reports are very different. I remember several scenes showing Hamas attacking ambulances. One of the first published videos on Oct 7th was a hamas drone attacking an israeli ambulance with dropped ammunition. Several ambulances were destroyed by Gazan fighters on the ground. In one of them 16 civilians burned to death.
Israel also tried to highligt several cases of murdered medical personel at UN hearings. Like executed medical staff of the Beeri hospital, which was obviously executed with headhots pb range.

Have you ever heard about this? It seems UN and alot media simply ignore everything the Gazans do, but as soon as something similar is done by IDF, it becomes world news in not time.

Wounder what would happen when a convoy approaches Russian or Ukrainean lines like this in that other conflict. I guess exactly the same. Indeed, there are tons of vids showing both sides attacking marked medical vehicles, medical field personnel and even hospitals. No one even notices. I'd really like to understand the whole press mechanism which always multiplies incidents in Gaza into first page world news. While the rest of the world barely gets any coverage.

[akyan]

hilarious

[Caduceus]

Originally Posted by Myristylbenzylmorphine

Hamas

Must have missed all the videos of HAMAS shooting Palestinians in the knees and feet that were trying to get food.

[Myristylbenzylmorphine]

Originally Posted by Caduceus

Must have missed all the videos of HAMAS shooting Palestinians in the knees and feet that were trying to get food.

What.