ISRAEL/PALESTINE/IRAN/LEBANON Conflict Discussion Thread VIII (2025)

[Rikbikboo]

Iran targeting military infrastructure? really? not a chance those missiles are not accurate enough to target specific targets I bet. they might be able to hit a city but for accuracy I bet the hit circle is more then 100 meters. Compare that to some of the western weapons that hit within a 1 meter circle.

Its easier to intercept a missile head on then it is from say 70 degrees off to the side and the Israeli Iron dome missile launchers are spread across the area for precisely this reason.

[houseoftechno]

Originally Posted by goatstroker

Maybe I don't understand what you mean when you say "Israel is finished off" where I'm from that means they lost, are fucked, are doomed, etc.

Sorry, that was a typo by me. I fixed it. I was replying to the prior post and meant to say, "If Israel is finished off..."

[gogij]

Originally Posted by kellyhound

Good question but Gaza/Palestina and Israel have high population density because they're small.
https://qudsnen.co/israels-hidden-fr...ong-civilians/

Israel is as large as New Jersey and has 440 people living per Km². New Jersey even higher. Gaza even much higher. The Israelian army is way bigger as Hamas so there's no empty space left to build military structures.

Russia and Ukraine are both big countries so when russia attacks civilan structures/hospitals, schools you know they're doing it on purpose.

Russian military would not strike hospitals or schools or even civilian structures unless Ukrainian military forces use it as a shelter.

Israel killed some 600 civilians in Iran for just 3 days and many thousand in Gasa.
Considering the duration of 3 years, I think Russian indeed try to save civilians.

What do you think of the way Israel killed whole families of those Iranian's atom scientist? Small children were bombed and killed at their homes because of their father job...

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by gogij

Russian military would not strike hospitals or schools or even civilian structures unless Ukrainian military forces use it as a shelter.

Russian missile strikes across multiple Ukrainian cities, including Kyiv, killed at least 42 civilians, including five children, and injured 190 om July 8th 2024.

The Okhmatdyt Children’s Hospital in Kyiv, the country’s largest pediatric facility, was severely damaged, with its toxicology, traumatology, and oncology departments destroyed. Two adults, including a doctor, were killed, and 16 others, including children, were injured. The attack was widely condemned as a war crime, with evidence suggesting a Russian Kh-101 cruise missile was used.

June 2025:
Russian forces bombed residential apartment buildings in Kharkiv using Shahed drones, described as a retaliatory attack following Ukrainian strikes on Russian military airfields. These strikes targeted civilian areas, causing deaths and injuries.

June 2025:
In early June, Russia launched a massive air strike involving hundreds of drones and dozens of missiles, targeting civilian infrastructure in Kyiv. Residential buildings and a maternity hospital were hit, with casualties reported.

On June 5, Russian forces struck a hospital, a youth creativity center, and a lyceum in Odesa, far from the front lines, with no reported military presence nearby. The attack was condemned as deliberately targeting children.

On June 10, a drone strike hit a maternity hospital, an emergency medical station, and residential buildings in Odesa, killing two people and injuring nine. Additional damage was reported to a sports complex, the city zoo, and the railway station.

March 23, 2025:
Russian missile strikes hit the city center of Sumy, damaging a school, a hospital, and several high-rise residential buildings.

At least 65 people, including children, were injured. Authorities reported that children in the school were safely evacuated to a protective structure, avoiding fatalities. The attack was described as targeting "children’s establishments" and civilian infrastructure.

While Russia denies targeting civilians, evidence from Ukrainian authorities, international organizations, and independent monitors suggests deliberate intent in many cases.

What do you think of the way Israel killed whole families of those Iranian's atom scientist? Small children were bombed and killed at their homes because of their father job.

the semi-official Tasnim news agency reported that six nuclear scientists were killed in Israeli strikes on Iran.

The agency identified the assassinated scientists as Abdulhamid Minouchehr, Ahmadreza Zolfaghari, Seyyed Amirhossein Faqhi, Motablizadeh, Mohammed Mehdi Tehranchi, and Fereydoun Abbasi.

In the early hours of Friday, Israeli forces attacked Iran, hitting nuclear and missile facilities and killing over 104 people, including top military commanders and scientists, and injuring nearly 380 people.

Some social media posts lack independent verification and may reflect anti-Israel sentiment rather than confirmed facts.

There's a difference between verified documentation by different sources and there's a difference between collateral damage and deliberate targetting civilians with no military targets present.

Iranian officials, including Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, have made public statements advocating for the destruction of the "Zionist regime." Khamenei has stated that Israel should be "wiped off the map" or that its regime should be eliminated.

I wouldn't trust a regime like that busy with a nuclear program and having a shitload of missiles.

A 2023 survey by the Netherlands-based GAMAAN institute found that 81% of respondents inside Iran rejected the Islamic Republic, with only 15% expressing support for it.

A 2022 GAMAAN survey reported similar findings, with 18% of respondents favoring the preservation of the Islamic Republic's principles.

Additionally, a 2024 regime-conducted poll by the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance revealed that 73% of Iranians support separating religion from governance, suggesting a significant decline in support for the theocratic system.

Think most people inside Iran and the Iranian diaspora will be most happy when the regime fucks off.

[gogij]

Kelly, thanks for your informative post, I didn't know the civilian casualties are that much.
Still, for more than 3 years, if Russians really wanted, they could have killed much more. It seem that at this forum 99% think that Russians eat children and kill for fun... I don't think so.
I don't believe Russians killed civilians on purpose. Except the cases where drunk Russian solders could trigger a missile.
There are rumors that some of the strikes you mentioned are from faulty Ukrainian air defense system.

Concerning your Iranian-Israel thoughts.
I also wouldn't trust a regime with a nuclear program and having a shitload of missiles... I mean neither Iranian nor Israel, what's the difference?

And please don't believe that propaganda surveys. I am sure large number of Israeli citizens are against the war and Netanyahu politics, but can not change the system. Could be same in Iran.

[Caduceus]

It all is very simple. If the Arabs put down their guns, there would be peace immediately. If the Jews put down their guns, they would cease to exist.

[Rikbikboo]

I think we are really starting to see Trump act like the dictator of the free world.

All his talk about Iran having a nuke or being weeks away is bullshit

Netanyahu has been saying they were “weeks away” from having a nuke since 2000.


This looks like it is going to be another Saddam Hussain and Iraq stunt.

Lies and bullshit to serve their own purpose.

Fucked uo and bullshit.

Then all the crying from Israel because they had a hospital bombed. Um. How many hospitals have been bombed in Gaza ?

Talk about bullshit. All of it.

[Caduceus]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo

I think we are really starting to see Trump act like the dictator of the free world.

Ally his talk about Iran having a nuke or being weeks away is bullshit

Netanyahu has been saying they were “weeks away” from having a nuke since 2000.


This looks like it is going to be another Saddam Hussain and Iraq stunt.

Lies and bullshit to serve their own purpose.

Fucked yo and bullshit.

Then all the crying from Israel because they had a hospital bombed. Um. How many hospitals have been bombed in Gaza ?

Talk about bullshit. All of it.

Hamas build tunnels and chambers under: hospitals , mosques and schools to generate sympathy when they are bombed. They sacrifice their people for their terrorist causes.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Caduceus

Hamas build tunnels and chambers under: hospitals , mosques and schools to generate sympathy when they are bombed. They sacrifice their people for their terrorist causes.

Yup,
There are pretty good videos, showing how hamas has built tunnels under hospitals, and not just tunnels, but entire floors are dedicated to missile launchers and storage. They use fanatical civilians as human shields. Those people want to die - become martyrs, so they can go to heaven. For us westerners, it sounds insane, but if you really...truly believe your religion, then death does not exist for you. Its not a thing, its just a location. You wont die when you get bombed by Israel, you win the Jackpot.

// replying to other comments here as well.

Concerning your Iranian-Israel thoughts.
I also wouldn't trust a regime with a nuclear program and having a shitload of missiles... I mean neither Iranian nor Israel, what's the difference?

The difference is in size and scale. One is a tiny country, completely surrounded by enemies who dont hold back their hateful rhetoric. Israel is almost 10 times smaller than Iran( 70+ times smaller in territory ). And Iran is just one hostile country. Add Lebanon, Syria and all the non-state terror groups to it.
If you read islamic chat groups, or watch their media content - you will see that they demand total genocide. You dont see the same on Jewish side.
Show us videos of Iranian officials shouting "total destruction to Iran" , "we must kill all the arabs" and so on.

re: Russians killing civilians.

Yeah, they do.
Its their official military strategy.
Thats why they attacked civilian infrastructure in the first place. I.e power stations, transformers, tv stations etc

[Guns N' Coffee]

Originally Posted by gogij

I don't believe Russians killed civilians on purpose. Except the cases where drunk Russian solders could trigger a missile.

Igor Girkin drunk Russian soldier.