[SDI]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

The only dead babies have been gazan. Feel free to post anything you have but I know it won't come.

There are photos of killed Israeli minors, even a dead baby leaked somehow into the inet. If you really want so see it, you can find it on Telegram or X. But it won't look like Gazawood stuff.

Some expecially nasty cases were also reported at UN hearings. Like paramedic Amit Man, who was shot into the leg, stomach and as she was still alive, she got a headshot later on. Inside a hospital in Be'eri.

The teens who tried to hide inside the public toilets at Zikim beach. A 17 yo boy was shot 7 times into his head. Hamas even showed the public toilet room in one of their propaganda releases. The girls were cut out. They were claiming it were surprised IDF elite soldiers, hiding in toilet rooms of Zikim army base.

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When is a journalist still a journalist?

One video, filmed by an unidentified journalist on the front lawn of former hostage Ada Sagi’s home, was streamed on multiple Palestinian news websites. In the video, the journalist says, “After an hour or more of walking, we were able to enter a Kibbutz; the most important Kibbutz of the occupation. Here is a scene from the heart of the settlement.”

A Gazan journalist affiliated with the Saudi Al-Hadath news channel, livestreamed the 7 October attack on Kibbutz Nir Oz and filmed the abductions of multiple Nir Oz residents, as confirmed by the Al-Hadath watermark present in his videos. In one video, livestreamed from Kibbutz Nir Oz, the journalist can be seen encouraging and instructing militants. In the opening moments of the video, the journalist is shown telling a man holding a box cutter to use it to break through closed windows of Kibbutz homes.

" Although the baby was born alive – and was named Na’ama – she died at 22:00. At 14 hours old, she was the youngest of Hamas’ victims on 7 October. [shot in mother's womb]

Interesting is also this:

Shari Mendes, a reservist within the military rabbinate and part of a team specifically responsible for the preparation of female soldiers for burial, was called up for duty [...] The responsibilities of Shari Mendes and the team responsible for preparing the bodies of female soldiers for burial is not medical and not related
to the identification process. They are there to maintain the modesty and dignity of the individual, to carry on any non-medical touching [...] and that none of the bodies were in a condition which would be acceptable to show to their families [mostly due to post mortem mutilations, rather than combat injuries, most were unarmed IDF office employees, comms and medical personnel anyways].

Just 3 quotes of the:

7 October Parliamentary
Commission Report
Chaired by Lord Roberts of Belgravia

See atteachement.

You'll find alot detailed case reports, also about murdered babies, detailed combat descriptions etc. Very detailed, often with full names.

[akyan]

If you are powerful enough you can do whatever you want or empower others to do whatever they want.

Don't want to be crushed under the power of first world countries, leave. It looks like it has come to that. There's a voluntary exodus plan by Israel with USA blessing. Unthinkable in the past but now reality.

No one's coming to save them.

It's not about right or wrong it simple reality.

[Vincentsdream]

"There are photos of dead Israeli babies, trust me bro. Look for yourself."

I thought as much. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. Please provide evidence. Until then. Tens of thousands of gazan children are dead. It's a genocide.

[SDI]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

"There are photos of dead Israeli babies, trust me bro. Look for yourself."

I thought as much. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. Please provide evidence. Until then. Tens of thousands of gazan children are dead. It's a genocide.

Well, I provided you a 300 page writeup of the Brit parliemant with countless case reports of killings and other atrocities. Babies, women, men, soldiers. Including full names and alot detail. There's even a pic of a murdered baby in a crip or something in this report. You didn't even looked at it. I fear, I can't help you.

I don't feel comfortable to post pics of dead babies.

[IvorySmith]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

"There are photos of dead Israeli babies, trust me bro. Look for yourself."

I thought as much. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. Please provide evidence. Until then. Tens of thousands of gazan children are dead. It's a genocide.

How is that a genocide? Israel isn't targeting children on purpose.

In the actual genocide, people shipped to places to be killed on purpose. Surrounding countries tried to take in the refugees.
In this scenario, the people are already there and no one wants them.
What is Israel's alternative? Just let them come into Israel and kill more civilians? Why can't the person with the sword use it?

[WonderMomma]

To be fair, this thread isn't the right place for posting pictures of deceased anything. That content should be shared in the designated conflict threads and only when discussing current or recent incidents, with proper context.

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

No war pics/vids

The war section is the only area, aside from the "green" section, where images of deceased children are permitted. But this is a fairly new development since the start of this conflict and could change at any time. It certainly should not be done repeatedly in any thread just to prove a point.

It's a sensitive issue for the site for a few reasons, but one that is key is the evidence showing both sides of the conflict using such images/information as propaganda tools. For example, Palestine has used dolls in place of real children, and Israel (or someone on their behalf) has propagated the "40 decapitated babies" story.

We all know that kids are dying, but we must be very careful with anything that's been proven to be used as blatant propaganda.

When I create the new April conflict thread, I will also be starting a new discussion thread. I’ll be updating the guidelines in both opening posts, so please make sure to read them thoroughly before participating.

[WonderMomma]

THE POINT OF THIS LONG ASS POST: Propaganda comes from ALL sides - even from the sides who aren't directly involved. No one in here is on the ground in Palestine or Israel. No one here holds a seat inside the government/ruling parties. None of us know the complete truth. We have so much garbage flying at us from all directions, no wonder we're all bickering and pointing fingers.

We all have our personal opinions and bias' about the situation and if there is one thing I've learned from being in here every day for over three years, you're probably not going to change anyone's mind. Most importantly, we form these opinions ourselves based on a mixture of truth and propaganda, and it all just blends together into a giant pool of shit that is impossible to sift through.

This makes debating any of it... difficult. Just something to keep in mind.

I haven't been shy vocalyzing my distrust of chatgpt but lately, I've been finding it far more useful that googling shit and gathering data myself. You can literally get information on anything in seconds - so I asked for examples of propaganda about this conflict from Israel, Palestine, Hamas, and the United States. Quite interesting and further proof that propaganda has made EVERYONE it's bitch.

By posting this I neither agree or disagree with any of it, I'm simply sharing it as proof that we are drowning in it.

I asked ChatGPT: "Give me some examples of Israeli propaganda from the last 19 months of conflict in Palestine"

Israeli propaganda, like that of any side in a conflict, can take many forms. Over the last 19 months of the conflict between Israel and Palestine, several examples of content that could be interpreted as propaganda have emerged. Some of these instances include:

1. Claims of Terrorist Acts Without Evidence

Example: The claim about the "decapitated babies" following the Hamas attack on Israeli settlements in October 2023. Israeli officials initially presented reports of 40 babies being decapitated by Hamas fighters. However, these claims were never conclusively substantiated, and independent investigations did not provide clear evidence to support the claim. Despite this, the narrative gained significant media traction, fueling outrage against Hamas.

Why it's considered propaganda: The initial claim was highly sensational, evoking strong emotional responses, but later investigations suggested the story might have been exaggerated or unverified, which contributed to misinformation and intense political polarization.

2. Depictions of Hamas as Uncompromising and Brutal

Example: Throughout the conflict, Israeli media and government officials have often depicted Hamas as an organization wholly committed to terror, genocide, and the destruction of Israel. The use of terms like "animals" or "savages" to describe Hamas fighters and leaders is common in both official statements and some media reporting.

Why it's considered propaganda: This framing demonizes the enemy and dehumanizes them, reducing a complex political situation to an oversimplified "us vs. them" narrative. While Hamas is indeed a militant group, such extreme language can obscure the political and humanitarian aspects of the conflict.

3. Social Media Campaigns Portraying Israel as Victim

Example: In the wake of rocket attacks from Gaza, the Israeli government has run social media campaigns showing the effectiveness of the Iron Dome missile defense system, portraying it as a symbol of Israel's resilience. Posts often show images of missiles being intercepted, accompanied by messages like "Israel's Iron Dome protects civilians."

Why it's considered propaganda: While the Iron Dome does serve to protect Israeli civilians, these campaigns tend to emphasize Israel's technological superiority while downplaying the effects of the blockade on Gaza or the broader humanitarian crisis. The emphasis on defense rather than addressing the root causes of the conflict can serve to bolster the image of Israel as a victim, ignoring the suffering of Palestinians.

4. Targeted Depictions of Palestinian "Human Shields"

Example: During military operations in Gaza, Israeli officials frequently accused Hamas of using Palestinian civilians as human shields by launching attacks from densely populated areas. These claims have been widely reported by Israeli media outlets.

Why it's considered propaganda: While Hamas has been accused of using civilian infrastructure for military purposes, these claims can sometimes be overstated or generalized, which distracts from Israel's own responsibility in causing civilian casualties. The narrative of Palestinians as "human shields" can serve to justify Israeli airstrikes on civilian targets by framing them as a necessary evil to combat a ruthless enemy.

5. Fabricated Videos and Social Media Posts

Example: Various images and videos have circulated in Israeli media and social media that show devastation in Gaza or West Bank areas, with claims that the destruction was caused by Hamas or other militant groups. However, many of these videos have turned out to be outdated or misattributed, sometimes taken from earlier conflicts or from completely different regions.

Why it's considered propaganda: The spread of such content, often without proper verification, can serve to manipulate public perception, making it appear that Gaza is more hostile or dangerous than it may be in reality. This can justify military action in the eyes of the public, painting the situation as one where Israel is responding to extreme and immediate threats.

6. Celebrating Military Successes

Example: Israeli authorities often highlight the successes of their military operations, such as the elimination of top Hamas commanders, or portray bombings of alleged Hamas military sites as necessary actions to protect civilians.

Why it's considered propaganda: While military operations against Hamas are a legitimate part of Israel's security strategy, the glorification of military victories in media campaigns can downplay the collateral damage inflicted on Gaza's civilian population and obscure the broader political context of the ongoing occupation and blockade.

7. Manipulating International Diplomacy

Example: Israeli diplomats and media outlets have at times portrayed Israel as a beacon of democracy and human rights in the Middle East, casting the Palestinian struggle as one driven by terrorism and extremism. This is often seen in Israel's efforts to frame the conflict as one between a democratic state and a radicalized group, attempting to garner international support from Western countries.

Why it's considered propaganda: This portrayal often simplifies a much more complex reality, ignoring Israel's policies in the West Bank and Gaza, including the expansion of settlements, military occupation, and restrictions on Palestinian movement. While Israel is a democracy, these tactics can overshadow the ongoing challenges faced by Palestinians under occupation.

Conclusion:
While propaganda exists on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, these examples highlight how certain narratives are used to shape public opinion, justify actions, or gain international support. It’s crucial to approach such claims with skepticism and consider the broader context of the conflict to understand the complex dynamics at play.


I asked ChatGPT: "Give me some examples of Palestinian propaganda from the last 19 months of conflict in Palestine"

Palestinian propaganda, like that from any side in a conflict, is part of the broader narrative used to shape perceptions, garner support, and justify actions. Over the last 19 months of conflict between Israel and Palestine, there have been several examples of content that could be considered propaganda from the Palestinian side. Some of these examples include:

1. Claims of Mass Casualties and Disproportionate Violence

Example: During Israeli airstrikes on Gaza, Palestinian officials and media outlets have often reported large numbers of civilian casualties. For instance, after Israeli airstrikes in Gaza in 2023, Palestinian sources reported hundreds of deaths in a short period, with a focus on women and children.

Why it's considered propaganda: While airstrikes have indeed resulted in significant civilian casualties, the numbers reported are sometimes unverified or exaggerated to amplify the perception of Israeli brutality. These claims are designed to elicit sympathy and outrage internationally, though they may not always be fully accurate or reflective of the complex realities on the ground.

2. Exaggerated Depictions of Israeli Attacks

Example: In response to Israeli operations in Gaza, Palestinian media outlets have often broadcast graphic images of dead civilians, wounded children, and destroyed buildings, sometimes without proper context or verification. This is frequently accompanied by statements accusing Israel of committing war crimes.

Why it's considered propaganda: While Israeli military actions often result in civilian casualties, Palestinian sources can sometimes present images or videos in a way that emphasizes emotional manipulation, with the intent of portraying Israel as an aggressor engaged in disproportionate violence. The framing of such events may be selective or aimed at evoking a particular emotional reaction, rather than providing a comprehensive account.

3. The Use of Symbolic Martyrs

Example: Palestinian authorities often highlight individuals who have died in confrontations with Israeli forces or during protests as "martyrs" for the cause of Palestinian liberation. These figures are depicted as symbols of resistance against Israeli occupation, with their images appearing in posters, social media, and public commemorations.

Why it's considered propaganda: The portrayal of these individuals as martyrs is part of a broader effort to inspire nationalist sentiment and encourage resistance. It can also simplify the complexity of the conflict by focusing on individual acts of violence as heroic, rather than considering the broader political context in which these deaths occur.

4. Glorifying Attacks on Israeli Civilians

Example: Palestinian social media platforms and certain groups have glorified attacks on Israeli civilians, including bombings and shootings. For instance, some posts celebrate suicide bombings or attacks on civilian settlements, framing the attackers as heroes or freedom fighters.

Why it's considered propaganda: These depictions are meant to strengthen the narrative of resistance against Israeli occupation. By glorifying violence against civilians, such messaging seeks to encourage support for militant actions, even if they are indiscriminate or targeted at non-combatants. This type of propaganda is often designed to present Palestinian resistance as justified in the face of oppression.

5. Misleading or Altered Photos and Videos

Example: In many cases, Palestinian media outlets and social media accounts have circulated photos and videos of destruction, claiming them to be the result of Israeli airstrikes or attacks on Gaza. Some of these images have later been revealed to be either old, misattributed, or unrelated to the current conflict. For example, images from previous conflicts or from different locations may be shared as if they are current.

Why it's considered propaganda: The use of misleading images or videos can manipulate international perception, presenting Israel as an aggressor in a way that may not be fully grounded in the reality of the situation. When false or out-of-context images are shared widely, they can foster false narratives and skew public opinion.

6. Hamas's Portrayal as the "Legitimate" Resistance

Example: Hamas, which is seen by many as a terrorist organization, is often portrayed in Palestinian media as the legitimate defender of Palestinian rights and resistance against Israeli occupation. Their actions—ranging from rocket attacks to protests—are framed as acts of heroism and self-defense rather than violence against civilians.

Why it's considered propaganda: This narrative seeks to legitimize Hamas's violent actions and portray their tactics as part of a broader, righteous struggle for Palestinian freedom. The focus is often on their role as "resistance fighters" rather than addressing the group's controversial actions, such as targeting Israeli civilians or their stance on political violence.

7. Framing the Conflict as One of Existential Struggle

Example: Palestinian leaders frequently frame the conflict as an existential battle for survival, with terms like "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" used to describe Israeli actions against Palestinians. Such language is often employed to evoke a sense of urgency and moral clarity in the eyes of the international community.

Why it's considered propaganda: While there are certainly elements of the conflict that can be described as human rights violations, the use of these terms can sometimes oversimplify a very complex political and military situation. The rhetoric of existential struggle can be used to rally public support but may obscure the nuances of the conflict and the deeper political issues at play.

8. Claims of Israeli "Ethnic Cleansing"

Example: Palestinian leaders and media frequently use the term "ethnic cleansing" to describe Israeli actions in the West Bank, particularly with regard to settlement expansion and the demolition of Palestinian homes. The narrative suggests that Israel's long-term goal is to remove Palestinians from their lands entirely.

Why it's considered propaganda: While settlement expansion and home demolitions are contentious issues, the term "ethnic cleansing" is a highly charged accusation that simplifies the broader political and territorial issues in the region. It is often used to rally international condemnation of Israel, but such terminology can overlook the complexities of territorial disputes and international law.

9. Claiming Israeli "War Crimes" Without Evidence

Example: Palestinian media and officials frequently accuse Israel of committing "war crimes," such as targeting civilian infrastructure, hospitals, and schools. These claims often come without clear evidence or are based on incomplete or unverified reports.

Why it's considered propaganda: While there have been instances of Israeli strikes on civilian areas, the blanket accusation of "war crimes" can be used to demonize Israel as a whole, without addressing the complexity of military operations or the political and legal context. These claims are often aimed at generating international support for Palestinian causes and encouraging diplomatic pressure on Israel.

Conclusion:
Palestinian propaganda, like Israeli propaganda, is part of the broader struggle to shape perceptions, rally support, and justify actions. It often involves manipulating emotions, selective use of information, and framing complex political issues in ways that align with nationalistic or ideological goals. As with any form of propaganda, it's important to approach such content critically, verify claims, and understand the broader context in which they are presented.

I asked ChatGPT: "Give me some examples of Hamas propaganda from the last 19 months of conflict in Palestine"

Hamas, recognized as a terrorist organization by many countries, including the United States and the European Union, has used various forms of propaganda during the conflict in Gaza over the last 19 months. Here are some notable examples of Hamas propaganda tactics:

1. Martyrdom and Heroism

Example: Hamas often glorifies fighters and militants who die in conflict as martyrs or heroes of the Palestinian cause. These individuals are commemorated in public spaces, social media posts, and official statements.

Why it's considered propaganda: This form of propaganda frames those who die in attacks against Israeli civilians or military personnel as selfless heroes, promoting the idea that violence is a legitimate and heroic response to Israeli actions. It encourages a culture of resistance and martyrdom, often appealing to younger generations.

2. Misleading Social Media Campaigns

Example: Hamas has used social media platforms to spread videos and images that show Palestinian civilians being harmed or killed, sometimes accompanied by misleading captions or narratives that blame Israeli forces without independent verification. For instance, they might show footage of bombings or destruction and immediately blame Israel, regardless of the source of the attack.

Why it's considered propaganda: By selectively using distressing images and attributing them directly to Israel, Hamas manipulates public opinion, both locally and internationally, to gain sympathy and justify its actions. This content is often circulated widely in an attempt to vilify Israel.

3. Claims of Israeli War Crimes

Example: Hamas frequently accuses Israel of committing war crimes, such as targeting civilians, bombing hospitals, and using disproportionate force. These claims are often made through statements by Hamas leaders or media outlets aligned with their ideology.

Why it's considered propaganda: While there may be valid concerns regarding the conduct of war, these accusations can be used to delegitimize Israel's military actions and further Hamas's narrative that Israel is a ruthless occupying power. The emphasis on war crimes seeks to garner international support, especially in forums like the United Nations.

4. Framing Attacks as Acts of Resistance

Example: Hamas often frames their military operations, such as rocket attacks on Israeli cities or suicide bombings, as acts of resistance against occupation, positioning these actions as justified and necessary.

Why it's considered propaganda: This narrative not only justifies violent acts but also fosters the idea that any resistance, even violent and indiscriminate, is acceptable if it is aimed at Israeli forces. This approach can rally support from both local populations and international sympathizers.

5. Rewriting History

Example: Hamas often revises or frames historical events to suit its narrative. For example, they portray the creation of Israel and its subsequent actions as part of a longstanding plan to displace Palestinians and destroy their identity.

Why it's considered propaganda: By rewriting history, Hamas seeks to unify Palestinians around a shared sense of victimhood and resistance. This tactic distorts facts to build a collective narrative of oppression that justifies their struggle and the use of violence against Israel.

6. Glorifying Terrorist Attacks Against Civilians

Example: Some Hamas supporters glorify individual terrorist acts, including suicide bombings and attacks on civilian areas, in speeches and social media. They may call these attacks acts of self-defense or resistance, and post videos of them to inspire others.

Why it's considered propaganda: This propaganda plays on nationalist sentiments and is aimed at normalizing extreme violence as part of the Palestinian struggle. It attempts to garner support for Hamas's cause by framing attacks on civilians as legitimate acts of warfare rather than terrorism.

7. Use of Religious Rhetoric

Example: Hamas frequently incorporates religious rhetoric into its propaganda, framing the conflict as a religious duty for Muslims to defend Palestine, referring to the liberation of Palestinian land as part of a broader Islamic struggle.

Why it's considered propaganda: This tactic is designed to mobilize support from both local and international Muslim communities by presenting the fight as part of a religious obligation. It encourages the idea that the struggle against Israel is not just political but also a religious war, galvanizing broader ideological support.

8. Portraying Gaza as a "Freedom Fighter" Stronghold

Example: Hamas portrays Gaza as the last bastion of Palestinian resistance, framing its leadership as the only legitimate representative of Palestinian interests, particularly in the face of Israeli occupation. This portrayal is reinforced by Hamas-controlled media and speeches.

Why it's considered propaganda: This narrative serves to legitimize Hamas's authority and actions in Gaza, portraying them as a beacon of hope for Palestinians and the true protectors of Palestinian rights. It also seeks to undermine other Palestinian factions or organizations that oppose Hamas's governance.

Conclusion:
Hamas, like any political or militant group involved in a prolonged conflict, uses propaganda to shape perceptions, gain support, and justify its actions. Through glorifying violence, framing the struggle as a righteous cause, and manipulating both local and international sentiments, Hamas seeks to advance its political goals and garner sympathy for its military campaigns. However, it’s important to critically evaluate these messages and consider the broader implications of such propaganda.

I asked ChatGPT: "Give me some examples of United States propaganda from the last 19 months of conflict between Isqarel and Palestine"

The United States has long been involved in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, often providing strong support to Israel politically, militarily, and diplomatically. While U.S. actions are typically framed as supporting peace, security, and democracy, there are instances where U.S. propaganda can be seen in how it portrays the conflict, shapes public opinion, and influences global narratives. Here are some examples of U.S. propaganda tactics related to the conflict over the past 19 months:

1. Framing Israel as a Democracy in the Middle East

Example: In various speeches and official statements, U.S. leaders have consistently referred to Israel as the "only democracy in the Middle East." This rhetoric is often used to present Israel as a beacon of democracy, freedom, and human rights, emphasizing the contrast with the surrounding Arab states.

Why it's considered propaganda: While Israel is indeed a democracy, this framing simplifies the situation by focusing solely on Israel's political system while downplaying the effects of the occupation, the ongoing expansion of settlements in the West Bank, and the restrictions placed on Palestinian movement and rights. This portrayal ignores the complexity of the occupation and the broader human rights issues affecting Palestinians.

2. Use of "Right to Defend Itself" Rhetoric

Example: U.S. officials, including the president, often repeat the phrase that "Israel has the right to defend itself" whenever there are escalations in the conflict, such as during airstrikes in Gaza or military operations against Palestinian militants.

Why it's considered propaganda: While Israel does have a right to defend itself, this statement is frequently used to justify disproportionate military actions, including airstrikes that result in civilian casualties. By focusing on Israel’s right to defend itself without equally addressing the humanitarian impact of its actions on Palestinians, this rhetoric can be used to deflect criticism and minimize the impact of Israel's military response.

3. Selective Coverage of Civilian Casualties

Example: When Palestinian casualties occur due to Israeli airstrikes, U.S. government statements often express concern for civilian loss of life but quickly pivot to emphasize the cause of these casualties, such as Hamas’s use of human shields or rocket fire from civilian areas.

Why it's considered propaganda: While the use of human shields by Hamas has been documented, the emphasis on this without a proportional focus on the destruction caused by Israeli military actions can be seen as downplaying the larger civilian toll. This framing serves to justify Israel’s military actions, deflecting attention from the broader consequences of the Israeli occupation and blockade of Gaza.

4. Highlighting Humanitarian Aid to Gaza While Overlooking Blockade Effects

Example: The U.S. frequently highlights its role in providing humanitarian aid to Palestinians, particularly those in Gaza, while positioning itself as a key player in addressing the humanitarian crisis.

Why it's considered propaganda: While aid is important, this narrative often fails to address the root causes of the crisis, such as the ongoing blockade of Gaza by Israel (supported by U.S. policy), the restrictions on goods, and the impact of the occupation. By focusing solely on aid efforts, the U.S. is able to present itself as a compassionate actor while diverting attention away from its complicity in maintaining policies that contribute to the suffering in Gaza.

5. The Role of "Terrorism" in Framing Hamas and Palestinian Militants

Example: U.S. rhetoric often categorizes Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups as "terrorist organizations," emphasizing their use of violence and attacks on Israeli civilians. This narrative is reinforced in speeches, press releases, and in the media.

Why it's considered propaganda: While Hamas’s use of violence is widely condemned, the U.S. framing of all Palestinian resistance as "terrorism" overlooks the broader political context of the Israeli occupation, Palestinian dispossession, and the failure of peace talks. By labeling resistance movements as "terrorists," the U.S. delegitimizes Palestinian grievances and effectively silences any criticism of Israeli policies.

6. Support for "Two-State Solution" Without Effective Action

Example: The U.S. has consistently supported the idea of a two-state solution as the path to peace, and U.S. leaders often reiterate this in speeches. However, in practice, U.S. actions have often been at odds with this goal, such as by vetoing UN resolutions that condemn Israeli settlements or blocking international pressure on Israel to halt expansion.

Why it's considered propaganda: The repeated support for a two-state solution is a rhetorical tool used by the U.S. to present itself as working toward peace. However, U.S. policy, including its unwavering support for Israel’s settlement expansion and its lack of meaningful pressure on Israel to halt it, undermines the possibility of achieving a two-state solution. The U.S. can appear committed to peace while allowing actions that make the two-state solution less feasible.

7. Downplaying the Impact of Settlements and Occupation

Example: When discussing Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank, U.S. officials often make statements about the "illegality" of these settlements under international law but do little to stop or challenge the ongoing settlement activity.

Why it's considered propaganda: While the U.S. may occasionally express concerns over settlement activity, its support for Israel often continues without meaningful consequences. The U.S. downplays the significance of settlement expansion, which is a key issue obstructing peace, and this selective concern about settlements serves to frame the U.S. as concerned about the occupation while not effectively addressing its continuation.

8. The "Peaceful Protesters" Narrative

Example: In some U.S. narratives, particularly those involving Gaza, Palestinian protesters who participate in demonstrations against Israeli actions are often portrayed as being victimized by Israeli military forces. However, these same protests sometimes have a backdrop of militant groups’ involvement.

Why it's considered propaganda: The U.S. may frame some instances as simply nonviolent protests against Israeli actions while downplaying the complexity of the situation, including the involvement of armed groups or the broader context of military clashes. This simplification can shift the narrative away from the broader issues of occupation and military strategy, positioning the U.S. as supportive of peace and democracy.

9. Support for Israel's Iron Dome and Military Defense

Example: The U.S. has been a key provider of funding and support for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system, often framing this support as part of their commitment to ensuring Israel's security.

Why it's considered propaganda: While the Iron Dome is a critical part of Israel’s defense infrastructure, the emphasis on U.S. support for it can obscure the broader military imbalance between Israel and Palestine. It portrays Israel as simply responding to rocket attacks from Gaza, without addressing the larger context of the conflict, including the military occupation, blockade, and systemic inequalities faced by Palestinians.

10. Condemning Palestinian Militancy Without Addressing Root Causes

Example: U.S. statements often highlight the threat posed by Palestinian militant groups, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, condemning their attacks on Israeli civilians, but rarely delve into the factors that contribute to Palestinian frustration, such as the occupation, lack of sovereignty, or human rights violations.

Why it's considered propaganda: By focusing almost exclusively on the actions of Palestinian militants, the U.S. frames the conflict in terms of security threats rather than addressing the underlying political and humanitarian issues. This makes it easier to justify U.S. support for Israel while ignoring the root causes of Palestinian resistance and frustration.

Conclusion:
The United States, through its rhetoric, diplomatic actions, and media influence, plays a significant role in shaping the narrative surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By emphasizing Israel's right to self-defense, downplaying the impact of occupation and settlement expansion, and focusing on Palestinian violence or "terrorism," the U.S. is able to position itself as a neutral or supportive party to peace while often enabling actions that undermine peace prospects. This selective portrayal of the conflict can be seen as propaganda, as it simplifies complex issues and promotes a narrative that aligns with U.S. foreign policy interests.

[Vincentsdream]

Originally Posted by SDI ↗

Well, I provided you a 300 page writeup of the Brit parliemant with countless case reports of killings and other atrocities. Babies, women, men, soldiers. Including full names and alot detail. There's even a pic of a murdered baby in a crip or something in this report. You didn't even looked at it. I fear, I can't help you.

I don't feel comfortable to post pics of dead babies.

Insane.

For one your document isn't even official.

This is not an official publication of the House of Commons or the House of Lords. It has not been approved by either House or its committees. All-Party Parliamentary Groups are informal groups of Members of both Houses with a common interest in particular issues. The views expressed in this report are those of the group. This report was researched by the staff of the APPG UK-Israel.

The work of the 7 October Parliamentary Commission is ongoing. This report is the first publication aimed at preserving an accurate record of the events. Research and writing took place from January 2024 to January 2025. As official inquiries uncover new information, the Commission will continue to verify and update its work.

2. The report lists a total of 37 people killed under the age of 17. So you believe the slaying of 37 youths makes the tens od thousands of dead children in Gaza okay? You dont leave much room for sympathy for one group vs the others, thus you obviously support the genocide.

[Vincentsdream]

Wondermomma. That doll shit was debunked so hard even the times Israel deleted the post.

You don't need to fake child deaths when you already have thousands of dead children.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

Wondermomma. That doll shit was debunked so hard even the times Israel deleted the post.

You don't need to fake child deaths when you already have thousands of dead children.

Don't you facepalm me, mister.

Of course, it was debunked. It’s propaganda - that’s exactly my point. I was using it as an example of blatant propaganda and not trying to argue its validity. There was plenty of real footage of dead children two months into the conflict when it came out, but someone still felt the need to post it for whatever reason.