[bamdy]

yeh, so wheres waldo?

[SalemSaberhagen]

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Probably seen these, at least most of you anyway.

Now THIS is the sort of stuff I came here for. Its really really frustrating for me to see pictures of bodies, blood and guts from several feet away as its hard to believe what the poster says it is without closeups. I've seen so so many pics and videos of things, jumpers etc from so far away that you don't know what it is, you only have the person's say so to go on because they are too far away to really make much out, but I have never before now seen ANY closeups. What I really want to see is pics or videos that people have taken within inches/feet of it. Like crime scene pics. Standing and aiming the camera on the ground at the feet so you can see on the ground, and real close up. 99.99% of the time WTC has been a totally goreless experience for me. Seeing some shapeless object/body fall from so far away you can't make anything out and it may as well be a bird, really does nothing at all for me. It may as well be anything. It has no affect on me because its so far away its unrecognisable. This is the only time I have seen real 911 bodies/body parts/pools of blood right up close. This is the only pic I've seen so far of 911 that I would actually call gorey. THIS is what I've been searching for a decade for. Why are these pics so rare? I really truly hope there are many more. Thank you very much!

PS Hope I didn't offend anyone. I'm verbose but not very succinct and never seem to have the right words.

[Bluegill]

I completely agree with the poster above. I'm still doubtful that alot of the things that are claimed to be human remains in these images are actually remains- I think alot of the claimed remains are debris, as obviously there would have been an extraordinary amount of it laying about. It's clear in a few pictures that there are human remains and that 'red mist' video is phenomenal, but I think alot of it is speculation without actually knowing if certain unidentified shapes are body parts. The bit about human heads for instance- zoomed right in, you cannot single them out as heads, they're just lumps of 'something'.

Regardless of that Bill, I'm truly fascinated by this thread and your enthusiasm to show the world what we've not seen before. You keep on posting these images, you're doing a fine job mate.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by SalemSaberhagen ↗

Now THIS is the sort of stuff I came here for. Its really really frustrating for me to see pictures of bodies, blood and guts from several feet away as its hard to believe what the poster says it is without closeups. I've seen so so many pics and videos of things, jumpers etc from so far away that you don't know what it is, you only have the person's say so to go on because they are too far away to really make much out, but I have never before now seen ANY closeups. What I really want to see is pics or videos that people have taken within inches/feet of it. Like crime scene pics. Standing and aiming the camera on the ground at the feet so you can see on the ground, and real close up. 99.99% of the time WTC has been a totally goreless experience for me. Seeing some shapeless object/body fall from so far away you can't make anything out and it may as well be a bird, really does nothing at all for me. It may as well be anything. It has no affect on me because its so far away its unrecognisable. This is the only time I have seen real 911 bodies/body parts/pools of blood right up close. This is the only pic I've seen so far of 911 that I would actually call gorey. THIS is what I've been searching for a decade for. Why are these pics so rare? I really truly hope there are many more. Thank you very much!

PS Hope I didn't offend anyone. I'm verbose but not very succinct and never seem to have the right words.

As far as not having the right words......I think you did fine. I have that problem myself, and a lot of things I say come out wrong, so I get that.

There are some pictures out there that are close up, but I think most have the same problem I do. They are haunted by them, litterally. If you see someone in a wreck, you might be able to stop bleeding or SOMETHING, anything to help. But when you see person after person facing certain death, and they have no body persay after they hit because it spreads out everywhere, it is like adding insult to injury, and it is something you can not shake, no matter how bad you want to.

I have more, it is just taking a while to deal with them.

[Billthegravedigger]

Bluegill, they are heads, and honestly, the only reason I can think of that they stayed intact was because several people landed in the same spot, one after another. Other than that, I have no clue. Thanks man.

[abacus]

Im very interested to know what kind of psychological effects these people had on the people around the base of the tower as they hit the ground. There is a lot of footage of people standing far away looking at people fall, and videos of firemen in the towers hearing people hit the ground etc but I would like to know how people reacted exiting the towers to see chunks of people scattered around, large ripped open torso's etc.

You also said giulliani was hit by some body parts of a jumper 15ft away. I wonder how people reacted to seeing bodies explode before them. I know its a bit of a silly question, as of course its pure shock, horror and grief but I still would like to find out more.
Even the emergency services, that picture of the fire man walking past the large disformed body is just wow!

edit: Im also interested to see the area around where the facade of the building crashed down onto after the first plane hit. Surely people were crushed by this?

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by abacus ↗

Im very interested to know what kind of psychological effects these people had on the people around the base of the tower as they hit the ground. There is a lot of footage of people standing far away looking at people fall, and videos of firemen in the towers hearing people hit the ground etc but I would like to know how people reacted exiting the towers to see chunks of people scattered around, large ripped open torso's etc.

You also said giulliani was hit by some body parts of a jumper 15ft away. I wonder how people reacted to seeing bodies explode before them. I know its a bit of a silly question, as of course its pure shock, horror and grief but I still would like to find out more.
Even the emergency services, that picture of the fire man walking past the large disformed body is just wow!

edit: Im also interested to see the area around where the facade of the building crashed down onto after the first plane hit. Surely people were crushed by this?

Yeah, the former mayor had some get on him, but most of it got on Van Esson. Looked like from his shoes up to his crotch area. He just stared in dis- belief.

What effect it had on people ? I am not proud of this fact, but I am what I am. At times I have to take 30 to 40 50 mg liquid filled dyphenhidramine sleep aids to even get to sleep. If I don't, I wake up trying not to hit the ground, then I am up for a couple of days.

Keep in mind that this is just more shit I have seen to add to my collection of shit I have seen. I even did a thread asking others if they were a magnet for bad shit. Witnessed suicides, several fatal wrecks, a lot of shit man, I mean a lot too.

I try to remain optimistic though, whenever I get pissed or something, I think life could always be much worse. I assure you that the people that jumped fucked some people's heads up for life, but at the same time, they saved others.

When people in the South Tower saw people jumping, they left. They did not listen to the PA system telling them to stay put, they got the fuck out of Dodge.

About the facade, yes. People were killed by the parts coming down. A poor woman was hit and crushed by a piece coming down, and it turned her into minced meat.

It litteraly landed on her, crushed her, but at the same time had forward momentum and smashed her as it scooted down the concrete. There was not much left as you can imagine.

[SheJb]

what is this "red mist" video you speak of?

[intre]

Originally Posted by SheJb ↗

what is this "red mist" video you speak of?

you can watch it here.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by intre ↗

you can watch it here.

Thank you for that. I am still trying to grasp the basics of computers. One reason I have not posted more jumper pictures. Unsure of how to do it.