[rapeWhistle]

Originally Posted by divreaper ↗

They bring in the worlds best criminal analyst ,and he said it wasn't the work of 3'he even said( after interviewing stepdad) it's was 99.9% him

John Mark Byers is the sick fuck that killed those kids.

[OhJstFkOffAlrdy]

Originally Posted by susanmarie79 ↗

I know every single detail of this case and those 3 evil gits are guilty as hell. Anyone who thinks they are innocent needs to do a bit more research on this case before spouting such shite.

"Every single detail"? That's a pretty lofty claim, even if you were one of the investigating officials. But since you're so informed, please enlighten us. If you're not sure where to begin, consider my following questions for starters...

1.)What of Jessie Misskelley's alibi? And what transpired during the period of his interrogation that was not recorded by the detectives? Why were there so many initial contradictions in his sworn statement during said interrogation that the detectives felt the need to coach and correct him?

2.)What of the filthy man at the Bojangles restaurant? Why did the officer who initially responded to that call fail to even so much as exit her cruiser and investigate the bathroom firsthand?

3.)Why did John Mark Byers have his teeth removed so soon after the incident? Why didn't investigators examine his original dental profiles upon discovering that his stepson, Christopher Byers, was the only victim whose body bore bite marks or signs of genital mutilation?

4.)To how much forensic testing was the knife John Mark Byers gave to the Paradise Lost filmmakers subjected?

5.)Why didn't investigators await the arrival of the county forensic examiner prior to disturbing the scene where the 3 victims' bodies were discovered?

6.)Why has Terry Hobbs still to this day not submitted to a polygraph examination?

7.)What physical evidence linked Echols, Baldwin, and Misskelley to the scene?

8.)How did the investigators explain the lack of blood at the scene where the victims' bodies were discovered? Why was there no consideration of the possibility that the boys were murdered elsewhere and then dumped in the woods?

9.)How have you become so knowledgeable regarding this case?

I'll be checking back on this thread periodically, so feel free to respond at your earliest convenience.

[Hobbslefthand]

Originally Posted by susanmarie79 ↗

I know every single detail of this case and those 3 evil gits are guilty as hell. Anyone who thinks they are innocent needs to do a bit more research on this case before spouting such shite.

Well then, feel free to enlighten us o wise one!

Could you possibly point all of us shite spouters in the direction of the sources available that enabled you to gain knowledge of "every single detail of this case"?
We would all be forever in your debt. And you can rest satisfied that you would have changed so many peoples mind on this if they just knew what you know.
Or do you prefer the rarefied air of believing your the only one in possession of all the facts and able to determine the ultimate truth of this crime?

[Tyberius]

Originally Posted by susanmarie79 ↗

I know every single detail of this case and those 3 evil gits are guilty as hell. Anyone who thinks they are innocent needs to do a bit more research on this case before spouting such shite.

Who the hell sends invites to these newbie tards.
You've been here for what 3 days? And already your mouth is faster than your brain.

Show us then this amazing insight in this case.
And it better be something more than what i can google out in 5 minutes.

[Cliffhanger]

I've been following this case since it was new. I was 22 when it happened. I just ran across a documentary called West of Memphis that showed me even more than I'd ever seen or read before. Very eye-opening, the details left out of prior documentaries...but still damning against Terry Hobbs.

[Susan]

Sorry I have only just rechecked this thread......


1.)What of Jessie Misskelley's alibi? And what transpired during the period of his interrogation that was not recorded by the detectives? Why were there so many initial contradictions in his sworn statement during said interrogation that the detectives felt the need to coach and correct him?

After Jessie confessed on 6/3/93, his father and friends tried to build an alibi for him. This alibi had two prongs: that Jessie was in Highland trailer park around 6:30 PM on 5/5/93 when police responded to a disturbance, and that Jessie and friends drove to Dyess around 7:30 PM to go wrestling. Twelve people — Stephanie Dollar, Susie Brewer, Jennifer Roberts, Christy Jones Moss, Charles Ashley, Jessie Misskelley Sr., James McNease, Louis Hoggard, Dennis Carter, Fred Revelle, Roger Jones and Keith Johnson —*testified*for the defense as alibi witnesses at Misskelley’s trial.
However, all three police officers who had responded to the disturbance call at Highland — James Dollahite, Joe McCafferty and Jason Oliver — testified that they did not recall seeing Jessie Misskelley Jr. there.
Jessie Misskelley Sr.*testified that his “DWI school” class got out at 7:00 PM on 5/5/93, at which point he drove home and spoke to Jessie Jr. around 7:15 PM before the latter left for Dyess. On cross-examination, Misskelley Sr. admitted that he told a TV interviewer after Jessie Jr.’s arrest, “he may have been there, I do not know … but if he was there he didn’t have anything to do with killing those boys.” The prosecution also called the alcohol safety classteacher*as a rebuttal witness; she confirmed that Misskelley Sr. attended on 5/5/93, and she recalled that she did not dismiss class until “at least fifteen to eight” that night.
The wrestling alibi also fell apart. Fred Revelle testified at trial that he specifically remembered that Jessie was with them that night.
STIDHAM: How can you—tell the jury how you can remember that day as opposed to any other day.
REVELLE: Because Kevin Johnson, one of the guys that went to wrestle with us, he was at a search and rescue meeting that night so he didn’t get to go wrestle with us and practice that night.
STIDHAM: Is there anything else about May the fifth that makes it stand out in your mind in relation to any other event?
REVELLE: Just that Keith Johnson, Kevin’s brother, that’s the only night that he went with us, that he ever went with us and wrestled there.
* * *
STIDHAM: Did anything happen to the defendant that helps you remember that night?
REVELLE: Ah, Bill Cox, he went to go throw Jessie Misskelley into the ring and his head was bent too low and he hit the side of the ring, had a big knot on his head.
On cross-examination, the prosecutor brought up a*statement*that Fred Revelle had given police on June 9, 1993, a few days after Misskelley’s arrest. Back then Revelle gave a different reason for remembering which day Misskelley went wrestling at Dyess.
Ah, it was May 5th. The day of the murders, around 7 o’clock, 6:30, 7 o’clock, Bill Cox the guy I’m training to wrestle. He arrived at my residence with the money that we needed to go pay the Charles Stone in Dyess for the ring. I’m training him to be a pro wrestler, teaching him we left and picked up Jessie in Highland trailer park. And we were going to get high on the way up there. And ah we picked him up and ah I’d say it was around 7 o’clock I guess about the time we left to go up there. I don’t know exactly what time we got there but we got there and ah its about 35 miles, and we gave Charles Stone the money and he wrote us out a receipt and gave us the keys to the building so we could get in went back inside his house we opened up his building and went on in and we had to turn the lights on and we started practicing. We left and I believe we dropped little Jessie off about 11:00, 11:30.
. . . Mr. Stone said he made a deposit in the bank the next day, and that day was may 6th, he made a deposit of $300.00 into his account.
The prosecution produced the receipt for $300 with Fred Revelle’s and Charles Stone’s names. The receipt was actually dated April 27, eight days before the murders.
Another alibi witness got tripped up by his prior statements to police.*Dennis Carter*testified at trial that he went to wrestling at Dyess on the night of May 5, 1993, with Jessie and others. However, Carter had been interviewed by WMPD officer Diane Hester on*June 9*and again on*June 22, and neither statement included any mention of going wrestling with Jessie on the evening of the murders. The June 22 statement, handwritten by Dennis Carter himself, states, “I went to Dice one or two time. But it was after the three little boys was murder. I have never went with Jessie to Dice. The time I went to Dice was with Kevin and Jhoney and Freddie and Bo and with Jhoney girlfriend. It was on a Friday night. But Jessie did not go with us.” The June 9 statement, handwritten by officer Hester and signed by Dennis Carter and his uncle Billy Carter, also read in part: “Dennis states that he was not really surprised when he heard that Jesse was arrested for the homicide. States that he was always nice to him but it didn’t really surprise him that he was involved.”
Jessie Misskelley was convicted and sentenced on February 4, 1994. Over the next two weeks, he made three more detailed confessions, so apparently he did not put much stock in his own alibi witnesses.

Jessie Misskelley’s recorded statements on 6/3/93 contained numerous inaccuracies, details which contradicted the known facts of the case. Everyone agrees on that much. However, WM3 supporters and non-supporters disagree on what those inaccuracies mean. Supporters believe they prove that Misskelley’s confession was false — he got the details wrong because he wasn’t there. Non-supporters believe Misskelley intentionally included a few lies in an otherwise true confession.
The main discrepancies were:
In his second recorded statment, Misskelley said that Damien and Jason tied up the three victims with brown rope. The victims were really tied up with their own shoelaces.
In his first recorded statement, Misskelley initially said that he met Damien and Jason at 9:00 AM. Later he said that the killings took place around noon and that the three victims had skipped school that day. In the second recorded statement, Misskelley changed the time to “five or six”, then changed it again to “seven or eight”, then added “I remember it was starting to get dark.” In fact, all three victims attended school that day and were last seen alive around 6:30 PM.
Early in his first recorded statement, Misskelley described seeing Jason Baldwin use a knife to cut Christopher Byers’ groin area. That matched the autopsy evidence — Byers had his testicles and the skin from his genitals sliced off, and he died from those injuries. Later in that statement, however, Misskelley described seeing Baldwin or Echols kill Byers by choking him with a large stick. The autopsy showed no evidence of this choking.
Misskelley repeatedly tried to end his story by claiming “and then I left”, only to continue recounting what happened next.
Misskelley said he saw Baldwin and Echols anally raping the Byers and Branch boys, but the autopsy showed no evidence of anal penetration on either boy. (This wasn’t 100% conclusive.)
WM3 supporters consider the time discrepancy to be key evidence proving Misskelley’s confession false. Jessie didn’t even know when the killings took place! Detectives believed that Misskelley was intentionally lying about the time for his own reasons, maybe just to mess with them or maybe to give himself an alibi.
After his conviction, Misskelley gave his own reasons for the time and rope/shoelaces discrepancies. Officer Moody, in his account of Misskelley’s*2/4/94 police car confession, reported: “Jessie said he lied about the time and the rope to ‘trick the police and to see if they were lying.’” In his*2/17/94 recorded confession, Misskelley acknowledged this ruse again.
MISSKELLEY: We tied’m up.
DAVIS: Ok. Now you said before when the police asked you in their statement and asked you what they were tied up with. And you said they were tied up with rope. Ah..
MISSKELLEY: I made that up.
DAVIS: Why?
MISSKELLEY: Tied to get off, you know get’m off track.
Misskelley never addressed the “choking Byers with a stick” inaccuracy in his February 1994 post-conviction statements. Non-supporters assume this was another ruse on Misskelley’s part.
Misskelley’s frequent claims that “and then I left”, each immediately disproven when he described what happened next, are easy to understand. Misskelley wanted to downplay his own role in the crime and blame everything on Baldwin and Echols. He screwed up early in his first recorded statement when he admitted chasing down Michael Moore and preventing his escape; that act alone made him fully culpable in Moore’s murder. But throughout his 6/3/93 statements, he repeatedly downplayed his own responsibility compared to Echols and Baldwin. “And then I left” was one way of doing this. In his February 1994 confessions, Misskelley admitted greater participation in the crimes (hitting the victims with sticks, helping pull out their shoelaces to tie them up).
The anal rape discrepancy is a true mystery. Misskelley said he saw Baldwin and Echols “screwing” the boys. At one point he said, “Damien was screwing one of them up the ass and stuff.” Misskelley said the same thing in his 2/4/94 and 2/17/94 statements. But the autopsy did not show any sign of anal rape on the three victims. So what really happened? One possible explanation: Baldwin and Echols took their pants off and made screwing motions with their victims but never actually achieved penetration. WM3 supporters consider this discrepancy further proof that Jessie fabricated his whole story. I consider it a minor mystery.
WM3 supporters call Misskelley’s story fantastic, incoherent and incompatible with the known facts. This is not true. Aside from the easily explained discrepancies listed above, Misskelley’s 6/3/93 story was perfectly coherent and matched the evidence. He correctly described details of the crime that had not been made public. He told the same basic story in three February 1994 post-conviction confessions (2/4, 2/8, 2/17).
The most telling detail: Misskelley correctly identified which boy had been cut on his face (Branch), which boy had been cut on his groin (Byers) and which boy had not been cut at all (Moore). There were widespread rumors that one victim was sexually mutilated, but the breakdown of each victim’s injuries had not been made public.
So why exactly would Misskelley lie about specific details in an otherwise true confession? His mindset at the time makes it understandable.
Unlike his two cohorts, Misskelley felt contrition and horror at what he had done. That’s how detectives got him to confess.
Misskelley was angry at Echols and Baldwin for getting him involved in the killings. That’s another reason he confessed and told police everything that Baldwin and Echols did.
Misskelley didn’t want to go to prison. That’s why he initially denied any involvement. Once he was caught, he wanted to limit his punishment. That’s why he fudged details and downplayed his role in the crime. This is quite common with criminal confessions.
I’m no psychologist or mind-reader, so take this explanation with a grain of salt.

[Susan]

2.)What of the filthy man at the Bojangles restaurant? Why did the officer who initially responded to that call fail to even so much as exit her cruiser and investigate the bathroom firsthand?

The filthy bloody dazed man arrived at Bojangles sometime between 8:00 and 9:30 PM. Bojangles was about one mile from the woods where the missing boys were last seen and where their bodies were found the next day.

Officer Regina Meek responded to the Bojangles call, spoke to a restaurant employee at the drive-through window, searched the area for the bloody man, then left. The next night (May 6) detectives Allen and Ridge visited Bojangles, talked to Marty King and took blood scrapings from the bathroom. The bloody man had left sunglasses in the toilet, but detectives didn’t bother taking them. Ridge later testified that he put the Bojangles blood sample in his desk, never sent it to the crime lab, forgot about it and eventually lost it.

For whatever reason, detectives didn’t consider the Bojangles man a lead worth pursuing. This was simply terrible police work. Crazy guy covered in blood and mud and water, one mile away and 1-2 hours after a bloody murder took place on a muddy ditch bank? How could anyone consider that not worth pursuing?

In general, the WMPD did a fine job on this case. The mishandling of the Bojangles incident is one glaring exception.

That said, the Bojangles man (sometimes called “Mr. Bojangles” in case discussions) was most likely not connected to the murders. Witnesses described him as disoriented and wobbly. He had a cast on one arm. Could such a man have lured and tied up three unknown kids?

Marty King testified for the defense at both trials. Lawyers for Echols and Baldwin grilled Meek and Ridge about the Bojangles incident, and they mentioned the Bojangles man as an alternative suspect in their closing arguments. The jury heard the evidence and made the right call.

[Susan]

3.)Why did John Mark Byers have his teeth removed so soon after the incident? Why didn't investigators examine his original dental profiles upon discovering that his stepson, Christopher Byers, was the only victim whose body bore bite marks or signs of genital mutilation?


John Mark Byers has a clad iron alibi, accounted for by multiple people West Memphis police investigated him early on, took hair and blood samples, interrogated him at length, but never uncovered anything suspicious. As for the "bite marks", this theory was disproven. The bite marks were actually caused by the end of the knife connected to the wm3. If you need any more proof that there were no bite marks then i suggest you just look at the documented chat with Brent Turvey.

[Susan]

4.)To how much forensic testing was the knife John Mark Byers gave to the Paradise Lost filmmakers subjected?

The knife had blood traces around the handle which was tested at the crime lab.The tests showed the blood could have belonged to either John Mark Byers or Chris Byers. West Memphis police interrogated Byers again in January 1994. The DNA tests conducted did not have the precision to match the blood to a single individual. The tests just narrowed the blood source to a particular segment of the population, which included both John Mark Byers and Chris Byers. John Mark Byers could have been the sole source of the blood on that knife.

[Susan]

5.)Why didn't investigators await the arrival of the county forensic examiner prior to disturbing the scene where the 3 victims' bodies were discovered?

Now that was shitty police work, no other reason for it.