[thorny007]

The time between when the light post drops and the second tree bends over where they stopped shows they were going alot faster than 45mph

[mantara32]

Originally Posted by missingpluto ↗

First, the sources tell us that, based on photographs of the wreckage ... Paul's body was pinned in an area of the car that makes it clear he couldn't have been flailing outside the vehicle.[/url]

Bullshit. The aftermath image clearly shows Walker's body laying down in a reclining position on top of the cabin wreckage with all limbs clear of any obstructions, as if he was partially pulled out of the car by someone or had tried to crawl out by himself. All of his limbs are evidently clear of any physical obstructions and a photograph of his left arm, thigh and buttocks after his body was pulled out clearly shows his hand was clenched into a partial fist at the moment of death.

Human limbs often remain seemingly 'posed' when they suffer full thickness burns but palms do not tighten and clench up into a partial fist when the person is already dead.

Originally Posted by missingpluto ↗

It's not clear how long after impact the video starts, but clearly more than a nanosecond.[/url]

The original CCTV video released shows that the first 3 cars on the scene arrived within approximately 15-20 seconds after the car erupted in flames. This eruption was recorded in the second CCTV video as having started a full minute after the car crashed. This means the first witnesses arrived around 1 - 1.5 minutes after the crash.

Nute and Eric arrived approximately 2 - 2.5 minutes after the crash and the fire crews arrived several minutes later. Nute and Eric had, at the very least, 30 seconds to save their friend but according to witnesses they continued trying even though Paul Walker was being roasted alive.

Originally Posted by missingpluto ↗

As for what the image really is -- we're told law enforcement has watched the video, and based on evidence from the crash site ... it appears to be a part of the car's roof burning.[/url]

What evidence from the crash site? That their bodies were covered in molten metal, ash and carbon fibre? One can very clearly see that their bodies were completely exposed and not covered in any material at all, apart from their burnt flesh and charred clothing. There is no evidence of any fire inside the cabin area in the video at that point at all. The interior of the car is dark, almost black, and the car is already split in half with the interior of the cabin on full display to the witnesses and bystanders. Also, the shape that moves inside the cabin is cearly white, not flame red or orange. There is no evidence of any melted roof material on the bodies themselves and the position of the car clearly shows that it was completely opened up like a clamshell, with the bulk of the roof hanging over the rear section after being torn away from the top of the windscreen.

It's a nice theory, but the evidence simply doesn't stack up. Something was definitely moving inside the car and it wasn't flame or burning wreckage.

[mantara32]

To clear up some confusion over the name 'Carrera'...

Yes, the two cars share the same family heritage, but they do not share the same mechanical lineage. The similarity of the two cars ends at the name. The Porsche 911 Carrera is not related to the Porsche Carrera GT. It is not, and never has been, part of the 911 family. It is actually based heavily on the Porsche Le Mans and is a true race car, or more accurately... the closest thing to a race car one can get on the road.

Here is an image of the Porsche that the Carrera GT is based on, the Porsche Le Mans. As you can quite clearly see, it is nothing like a 911...

[turbot4]

Originally Posted by mantara32 ↗

Bullshit. The aftermath image clearly shows Walker's body laying down in a reclining position on top of the cabin wreckage with all limbs clear of any obstructions, as if he was partially pulled out of the car by someone or had tried to crawl out by himself. All of his limbs are evidently clear of any physical obstructions and a photograph of his left arm, thigh and buttocks after his body was pulled out clearly shows his hand was clenched into a partial fist at the moment of death.

Human limbs often remain seemingly 'posed' when they suffer full thickness burns but palms do not tighten and clench up into a partial fist when the person is already dead.



The original CCTV video released shows that the first 3 cars on the scene arrived within approximately 15-20 seconds after the car erupted in flames. This eruption was recorded in the second CCTV video as having started a full minute after the car crashed. This means the first witnesses arrived around 1 - 1.5 minutes after the crash.

Nute and Eric arrived approximately 2 - 2.5 minutes after the crash and the fire crews arrived several minutes later. Nute and Eric had, at the very least, 30 seconds to save their friend but according to witnesses they continued trying even though Paul Walker was being roasted alive.



What evidence from the crash site? That their bodies were covered in molten metal, ash and carbon fibre? One can very clearly see that their bodies were completely exposed and not covered in any material at all, apart from their burnt flesh and charred clothing. There is no evidence of any fire inside the cabin area in the video at that point at all. The interior of the car is dark, almost black, and the car is already split in half with the interior of the cabin on full display to the witnesses and bystanders. Also, the shape that moves inside the cabin is cearly white, not flame red or orange. There is no evidence of any melted roof material on the bodies themselves and the position of the car clearly shows that it was completely opened up like a clamshell, with the bulk of the roof hanging over the rear section after being torn away from the top of the windscreen.

It's a nice theory, but the evidence simply doesn't stack up. Something was definitely moving inside the car and it wasn't flame or burning wreckage.

Agreed....I have seen plenty of people burning and fighting the painnof burning....that video needs to be blown up and watched again.....it is definitely a person wailing around in the car....then eventually dissappears into the flames..thebfucking asshole mexican doing the video should've tried to do something...I know I wouldve.

[mantara32]

Originally Posted by turbot4 ↗

Agreed....I have seen plenty of people burning and fighting the painnof burning....that video needs to be blown up and watched again.....it is definitely a person wailing around in the car....then eventually dissappears into the flames..thebfucking asshole mexican doing the video should've tried to do something...I know I wouldve.

People will come forward and say things like "well why don't we hear any of the witnesses drawing attention to the movement in the car?" or "if Paul was clearly trying to extract himself from the car then why wasn't anyone helping him or at least trying to attempt a rescue?"

In anticipation of those comments I will say that it is entirely possible that Paul was for most of the time obscured by thick, black smoke and was probably slowly asphyxiating and unable to scream or at least call out for help. Perhaps he was in shock and unable to make any sound. Who is to know? I just have the feeling that the guy with the camera managed to capture some kind of intelligent movement from inside the wreckage but that eyewitnesses who were present never caught sight of him. Perhaps it was too brief for anyone to notice or perhaps his movements were difficult to see at the time. Perhaps even, by a sheer stroke of bad luck, that no one was looking at the car in the brief moments of movement.

Whatever the case may be, the video in question undoubtedly captured something that millions of other people have since seen as well.

[shhhhdonttell]

Maybe it's just because I'm not a car nut, but I don't think it would be worth all the hassle to own a supercar like that.

I mean if you can't drive over a can without losing control, it really doesn't sound like it would be fun to drive.

[mantara32]

Originally Posted by shhhhdonttell ↗

Maybe it's just because I'm not a car nut, but I don't think it would be worth all the hassle to own a supercar like that.

I mean if you can't drive over a can without losing control, it really doesn't sound like it would be fun to drive.

Apparently the Carrera GT genuinely scared a lot of professional drivers. Some described it as the "most dangerous car in the world". I think it has everything to do with the challenge the car presented, as well as it's drop-dead gorgeous looks and presence on the roadway. It simply screamed 'LOOK AT ME' wherever you went.

[IIvIIRRIIvII]

Originally Posted by mantara32 ↗

Apparently the Carrera GT genuinely scared a lot of professional drivers. Some described it as the "most dangerous car in the world". I think it has everything to do with the challenge the car presented, as well as it's drop-dead gorgeous looks and presence on the roadway. It simply screamed 'LOOK AT ME' wherever you went.

That last bit is certainly true; when it's fully engulfed in flames.

[Golliwog]

Originally Posted by mantara32 ↗

his body was pulled out clearly shows his hand was clenched into a partial fist at the moment of death.

Were you there to witness this? Where has this info come from?

[Golliwog]

Originally Posted by turbot4 ↗

Watching the video of the burning car over and over again....it truly does appear to be a person burning and clearly trying to escape....blow it up in hd..

There is no HD version.

You cannot see anything.

This is what you want to believe and there is no truth in it whatsoever.

Shut up.