[Kinky_John]

Does anyone else see an evil clown like face here or is it just me

[WonderMomma]

some interesting new info from the following article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ery-crash.html

TMZ.com reports that both Rodas, 38, and Walker had to be positively identified through dental records because their bodies were so badly burned.

Rodas' cousin, Ruben Ramirez, told MailOnline today that his family is worried Rodas' body was so badly burned that they will not be able to have a traditional funeral.

'I have been speaking to the family and we have no idea when we will be able to have a funeral,' Mr Ramirez said.

'We don't even know if we will be able to have a traditional one, because his body may be too badly burnt.'

The autopsy results, combined with security footage released Tuesday raise the horrifying possibility that Walker was trapped inside his car for up to a minute before the fireball that engulfed the vehicle took hold.

Contradicting previous reports that Walker's car exploded in flames on impact in Santa Clarita on Saturday, the video shows no smoke rising from the wreck in the immediate aftermath of the crash.

While the disturbing footage shot from the opposite side of the street does not show the accident, it does reveals what appears to be a significant smash as the car heavily knocks a tree and light pole followed by only wisps of smoke before the inferno erupts after two minutes.

The specter of Walker, 40, suffering in the moments after the crash comes as it was claimed the supercar in which the Hollywood star died in this week left professionals who tested it 'white' with fear and was branded 'the most dangerous car on the road' by a former manufacturer.

The 2005 Porsche Carrera GT was being driven by the Hollywood star's friend and business partner Roger Rodas when it crashed in Los Angeles on Tuesday, killing both of them.

It has since emerged that car experts have long expressed concern about the souped-up model's suitability for the road, due to its ultra light carbon-fiber frame and 5.7 liter race-derived V10 engine.

It has a flat out speed of 205 miles per hour and its design is derived from earlier Porsche Le Mans models.

Porsche knew of the car's sensitivity when they launched the model in 2004. According to TMZ, a memo circulated to sales staff said of the GT Carrera: 'This vehicle cannot drive over a Foster Beer can that is lying on its side.'

'You need to be aware of what type of road surface you are on (dips; pot holes, seam heights, etc.)

'The Carrera GT is as close to a racecar as we will ever get, this car has all the disadvantages of a racecar.

In a checkered past, the GT has been crashed by chat show legend Jay Leno, who lost control while speeding around a circuit in 2005.

Another incident in 2005 saw two sportscar enthusiasts Ben Keaton and Corey Rudl killed in a racetrack smash in California after the Carrera GT they were traveling in swerved into a concrete wall.

In that case, Porsche paid a portion of the $4.5million compensation fee awarded to the family of Mr Rudl after it was established there were 'handling problems' with the vehicle.

And yesterday CCTV footage that revealed the precise moment that Paul Walker's Porsche Carrera GT careered into a tree and was released - as one witness claimed that the crash was an accident not a drag race.

The surveillance footage shot from a nearby rooftop camera and obtained by OMG! Insider shows a plume of black smoke billow into the sky after the crash, just moments before what appears to be a large detonation sends a huge fireball skywards.

And following the harrowing video and images, a professional driver who was at the charity show in Santa Clarita has come forward to claim that Rodas and Walker took their car out to check for a suspected mechanical issue and not for a joyride as has been claimed.

'As they were backing up the Carrera to put into the garage, it started stalling. I heard someone say, and I think it was Roger, "Why is the car stalling? Let’s take it around the block", the unidentified witness told Hollywood Reporter.

'Paul said, "Let me go with you really quickly".

'The whole premise of taking the car out for a drive was because something was wrong.'

The individual, who has declined to be named, said from his experiences with Walker and Rodas that the two were not likely to engage in a high-speed race with the Porsche Carrera GT - a car that is notorious for its handling issues at speed.

'These guys are business owners and Paul was a celebrity. They are responsible people. It was more like, 'What the hell is wrong with this car? Let’s see what’s wrong and go for a drive'.

'These guys were more like, 'That’s weird, the car is stalling, let’s figure it out.'

The dramatic images from the minutes after the crash show how Walker's friends arrived on the scene and desperately tried to put out the flames with fire extinguishers and reach their friend.

sounds like it was caused more by issues of the car itself than that of the driver's actions. that's got to be a bit of a relief to his family. still a horrific tragic accident either way.

[Chrissy1313]

I don't know if the autopsy said anything about this, but would he have survived even if there wasn't a fire? In my opinion, I still think he would've died. Even if he did survive, he would've never been the same again. It looks like his arm is ripped off and I'm sure he had other traumatic injuries.

[JamesdBond007]

A tragic death of a good person. Now the main question is besides the speed what caused the car to crash?

[missingpluto]

Yeah, the autopsy said he died from trauma and thermal injuries. I think if he didn't die from the fire, he might've bled to death or something before he could get any help.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by JamesdBond007 ↗

A tragic death of a good person. Now the main question is besides the speed what caused the car to crash?

well if you read the parts of this thread about what porsche says about that car, you'll find the info stating that he car is notoriously hard to handle. the speed limit on that road is 45mph... that's fast enough to hit one of those white little lane bumps california has (and can be seen on that road) and have the car go out of control. plus, in a testing video, there is a handling button that the host stated is a "button of death". the car is known to be extremely hard to drive, even by professional drivers, which is what Roger was. and it seems the pair took the car out around the block because they thought something was wrong with it. so if there was a problem that could have caused or contributed to the accident.

[WonderMomma]

the family and friends of both are stressing that these two were not drag racing or speeding around the neighborhood. they both owned and mangaged a high performance car business and were extremely responsible people when it came to cars.

[turbot4]

Watching the video of the burning car over and over again....it truly does appear to be a person burning and clearly trying to escape....blow it up in hd..

[missingpluto]

Paul Walker did NOT make a final desperate attempt to escape the burning wreckage -- and the image seen in video shot right after the crash is definitely NOT Paul ... TMZ has learned.

There had been rampant speculation and buzz on the Internet that a shadowy figure seen around 23 seconds into the video of the burning Porsche Carrera GT ... was Walker trying to get out of the vehicle, but sources connected to the investigation now say it just isn't so ... for several reasons.

First, the sources tell us that, based on photographs of the wreckage ... Paul's body was pinned in an area of the car that makes it clear he couldn't have been flailing outside the vehicle.

Also ...we're told that based on the injuries he suffered, Paul died within a nanosecond of impact, and therefore it's impossible for the image in the video to be him.

It's not clear how long after impact the video starts, but clearly more than a nanosecond.

As for what the image really is -- we're told law enforcement has watched the video, and based on evidence from the crash site ... it appears to be a part of the car's roof burning.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/05/paul-w...age-not-human/

[missingpluto]

Weird though, the autopsy says Roger died on impact and Paul didn't...and this story contradicts that. I guess he might've died between the time of the impact and the time the fire started (maybe about a minute)? Not sure