[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by bob351 ↗

Coming from you?

[sparkle03]

Originally Posted by khaos89 ↗

This fragment of verse 5:32 is what the apologists want non-Muslims to believe is in the Qur’an, as opposed to the dozens of other open-ended passages that command warfare, beheadings and torture. But even what they usually quote from 5:32 isn’t quite how it appears. Remember all those ellipses? There's something being left out.

Here’s the full text of the verse:

“On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.”
First, notice the gaping loophole. Killing is allowed in cases of murder or “for spreading mischief in the land.” Murder is pretty straightforward, but “spreading mischief?” If anything begged for a careful and precise explanation, this phrase certainly would. But generations of Muslims are left to apply their own interpretation of what “mischief” means - with varying standards. Violating Sharia law or sharing a different religious faith appears to qualify. Verse 7:103 of the Quran even indicates that merely rejecting Muhammad and the Quran counts as "mischief".

Secondly, note the broader context of this verse. It turns out that this isn’t a divine command to Muslims after all. It’s a recounting of a rule that was given to the Jews. It isn’t an admonition against killing. It’s an indictment against the Jews for violating the law given to them. “Any one” doesn’t mean “anyone,” but rather “any one” of the Jews.

Any application to Muslims would have to apply only to Muslims - as in Muslim on Muslim murder within the brotherhood of believers. In fact, the context of the verse is the murder of Abel by Cain. Historically, this verse has never been interpreted by Islamic scholars to mean that Allah places equal value on the lives of non-Muslims. The Quran says that restitution for murder is bound by the law of equality (2:178) and that non-believers are not equal to Muslims (39:09). Muhammad affirmed that while a Muslim may be punished with death for killing a fellow Muslim, they should never be slain for killing a non-believer.

Rather than encouraging tolerance, Sura 5 as a whole is actually an incitement of hatred with a hint of violence. Jews and Christians are explicitly cursed as ‘wicked’ people with ‘diseased hearts’ and as hateful ‘blasphemers’ respectively. Muhammad goes on to coyly remind his people that Allah loves those who “fight” in his service - and it’s fairly obvious who the enemy is.

Muslim apologists conveniently leave out the fact that the gruesome verse which follows 5:32 actually mandates killing in the case of the aforementioned “mischief”. It even suggests crucifixion and “the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides.” (This injunction was dutifully followed by ISIS in 2014)

Although verse 5:32 recounts the law given to Jews, the verse that follows is clearly intended for Muslims. Verse 5:33 provides the basis for blasphemy laws, in which people are executed for insulting or questioning Islam. Ironically then, the very part of the Quran that apologists use to portray Islam as a non-violent religion has long been used as justification for making verbal offense into a capital crime.

So, the Quran's best example of moral instruction is a passage which actually mandates the torture and execution of those deemed a threat to Islamic hegemony...

With this being the best that Islam has to offer, it’s not hard to guess why the religion contributes over a thousand deadly terrorist attacks to the world each and every year.

The Bible did the same thing in the old testament, allowed slaying and violence to those who wouldn't do something as simple as allow them to pass through a town. As a former "mooslim" as some call it, i found that the interpretation of the Quran depended upon the interpreter. Also, just like most Christians (which I was before coverting to Islam), Muslims rarely read their holy book.They know a few key verses and the rest just collects dust. Just got tired of it all and realized that most people following organized religion do so out of custom and not true faith. So bash away, but you have to do it to all Abrahamic faiths because they all were warmongers at one point in time, and for the same God.

[Pyramid_Head]

It's really sad that every time something horrible like this happens people start arguing and pointing their fingers at everyone but the actual perpetrators. Blaming the U.S is so beyond stupid I can't even take anyone serious anymore.

[Pyramid_Head]

Those poor people, so fucked up.

[dlclotus]

Time to start killing "people."

[apoc747]

Holy fuck.


No signs of a un-edited picture yet but you can see the absolute slaughter those poor people had to endure trapped in there with them.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Pyramid_Head ↗

It's really sad that every time something horrible like this happens people start arguing and pointing their fingers at everyone but the actual perpetrators. Blaming the U.S is so beyond stupid I can't even take anyone serious anymore.

Why do you think they do this?

[Lizarrd]

Originally Posted by pokerplay ↗

Religions, the belief in gods and the supernatural is nothing but a mind forged manacle. Wake up, quit being a fucking child, and dispense with the chains of superstition and bullshit meant to control you. Islam literally means "submission". These are not goat herders executing these attacks, they are educated, but ignorant followers. And if you think being part of the 'flock' is any better, Christians, think again. The suicide bombing community is 100% religious.

Yes

Everything you said.

Religion is KILLING us

Fuck god, fuck allah, fuck jesus, fuck mohammed

Fuck submission

[Idaho Tatters]

Originally Posted by leadf00t ↗

Just because they could. Soft target, American band, western fanbase.

I think they actually wanted to make the most impact at the football match, but that doesn't seem to have worked out for the assholes as well as they'd hoped.

Nothing better than early detonation!

[deliverance_]

Originally Posted by Lizarrd ↗

Yes

Everything you said.

Religion is KILLING us

Fuck god, fuck allah, fuck jesus, fuck mohammed

Fuck submission

Yeah and once religion is gone, people will start killing each other because they're socialist, or capitalist or communist, then once that's finished it will be because they're black, brown, yellow, white or blue...

Come on, it's human nature to kill. There will always be wars because not everyone can share a common belief in right and wrong.