[jumpingjames69]

Fuck you batty boy

Originally Posted by GG57 ↗

STFU. Asshole.

[jumpingjames69]

I did alter my opinion slightly after finding that out

All this fighting aside, I'd like to interject one comment...a few years ago a well-known personality, Montel Williams, was diagnosed with MS, an inflammatory disease in which the insulating covers of nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord are damaged and this damage disrupts the ability of parts of the nervous system to communicate, resulting in a wide range of signs and symptoms both physical and mental.

Apparently this disease can also be incredibly painful and as a result, Williams seriously considered suicide as the pain was unceasing and nearly unbearable. Had he not eventually found means to mask the pain (including medical marijuana) he had once told his children that he couldn't stand it and may have to find a way out.

They were understandably upset by this news and begged him not to consider it for many reasons including what it would do to them. And what he said is this (and I paraphrase):

"Who are you to judge me and my ability to bear the pain I'm experiencing? Am I to spend days writhing in agony just so you can feel better? There's no way you could possibly understand my suffering unless you experience it first hand. You have no right to put your burden on me. If I can no longer endure this pain, I want the option to end my life."

The point here is what's truly selfish is judging someone else's ability to deal with pain based on our own, to expect someone else to endure agony (whatever it may be, physical or mental) just so we don't feel bad. It's selfish to expect someone to endure a living hell, just so we can have them around a while longer so we won't miss them and have nightmares or deal with trauma..

Does this mean we shouldn't try to help them? Of course not...but we have little right to judge them if they can't bear their life despite all the love and help we give them.[/QUOTE]

[vanillabuzz]

Originally Posted by jumpingjames69 ↗

Does this mean we shouldn't try to help them? Of course not...but we have little right to judge them if they can't bear their life despite all the love and help we give them.

People have the right to miss them and wish they would still be alive, but they can't judge someone for taking their own lives. The mistake so many people make is saying the very same thing you just did: to wonder why the person who committed suicide didn't stay for them. Why didn't you stay? You should have, because look at how much I love you, that has to make it all better because your life should obviously revolve around me! NOT

Speaking as a person who once was suicidal, the least of your worries is hurting anyone by taking your own life. In fact, in your mind you're convinced you will be doing them a favor. Obviously that is not the case, but you can't see that when you are in so much emotional pain that you believe the only way out is ending your life. People who don't understand why anyone would kill themselves, and particularly the people who call suicide a selfish act like you have, obviously got absolutely no clue of what a living hell clinical depression is like. It's nothingness. Pure and utter nothingness. When you are that hollow inside, nothing else matters. And when you are that depressed and get diagnosed with an illness that will slowly leave you impaired, it is very very easy to see why someone, like Robin, would decide the best for him was to leave this world.

[jumpingjames69]

Obviously I don't and I really want to apologise but I find that hard as really do see it as a weakness, it enlightened me your message, wether or not I don't know what I'm talking about is beside the point wether I'm right or wrong(wrong mostly) I am entitled to my opinion

[An_Empty_Memory]

Aaw, he looks like any grandfather we know... :( He reminds me of the sweet client I tended for in a requirement home for the senior citizens.

I hope Robin is resting well he deserves in the heaven! I miss him a lot and the other good comedians...he is not a coward. Sometimes, we see him as a funny guy or a great actor/comedian and forget he is/was a human being too hence why he felt lonely. Even a super hero can feel lonely even tho he/she is loved by everyone. Depression is really a bitch and kudos for him to battle against it for 63 years.

Like someone said, the Parkinson's disease triggered the suicide. :( The medical info on the disease does say it will be the high risk for the people with the depression. It is scary to think about.

[Darkknight1]

Depression doesnt hurt only phisical disease hurts parkingsons doesnt kill

[Broadjumper]

Originally Posted by jumpingjames69 ↗

Obviously I don't and I really want to apologise but I find that hard as really do see it as a weakness, it enlightened me your message, wether or not I don't know what I'm talking about is beside the point wether I'm right or wrong(wrong mostly) I am entitled to my opinion

James, essentially what you're doing is defending ignorance as an individual right mainly because it's your own ignorance. Of course you can do this, but I'd be more ashamed than proud. I don't use 'ignorant' as a mere epithet, more as a description of your lack of knowledge and sensitivity on the matter.

Is suicide the result of personal weakness? In some small way I can understand your viewpoint, but the issue is far too complex to boil down to weakness. Serious depression left untreated results in feelings of utter hopelessness as well as worthlessness and can lead a person to think of nothing else except ending their suffering.

[Broadjumper]

Originally Posted by Darkknight1 ↗

Depression doesnt hurt only phisical disease hurts parkingsons doesnt kill

Depression can be extremely painful and Parkinson's IS a physical disease. It may not kill a heart attack or stroke, but the life expectancy of people with PD is reduced within mortality rates being around twice those of unaffected people. Cognitive decline and dementia, old age at onset, a more advanced disease state and presence of swallowing problems are all mortality risk factors. Death from aspiration pneumonia is twice as common in individuals with PD as in the healthy population.

In short, it's a contributing factor to an earlier death.

[GoreisGreat]

Originally Posted by Lion-hearted Girl ↗

So, its selfish for someone with a mental illness to end their own suffering, but give them a physical illness and oh, that's understandable.

Can't believe how ignorant people are to just how horrific a mental illness can be. People need to get that it isn't just "feeling sad". It's like a nightmare that never ends. Pure waking terror. Do people get that?

I think he killed himself because he was struggling financially. CBS show was cancelled earlier this year, had to list to sell a very expensive property in CA which he probably viewed as a "lifetime achievement" and it's also strange for 20 years to go by before talk of a movie sequel. Mrs. Doubtfire made more than $400,000,000 so it's likely Robin Williams wanted to/needed to cash in on the sequel.

Classic case of someone living beyond their means. Whether you make $50,000 a year or $5,000,000 a year, it's a common theme for people to over extend themselves financially.

If his TV show didn't get cancelled, he would still be alive.

[jumpingjames69]

point taken

Originally Posted by Broadjumper ↗

James, essentially what you're doing is defending ignorance as an individual right mainly because it's your own ignorance. Of course you can do this, but I'd be more ashamed than proud. I don't use 'ignorant' as a mere epithet, more as a description of your lack of knowledge and sensitivity on the matter.

Is suicide the result of personal weakness? In some small way I can understand your viewpoint, but the issue is far too complex to boil down to weakness. Serious depression left untreated results in feelings of utter hopelessness as well as worthlessness and can lead a person to think of nothing else except ending their suffering.