[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by vonjo27 ↗

I don't know. The controlled-demolition of the WTC 1,2, and 7, the missile at the Pentagon, the invisible plane in Shanksville, the oil wars, the policing of the world, and the complete destroying of our constitution (NDAA, CISPA, Patriot Act, etc) has me preoccupied. I'll just take your word on the Winter Garden, it yours!

Are you braindead, or just fucking retarded ?

Do us all a favor, put your pride aside and look closely at the pictures, zoom in on them. I included a diagram of the damge done to #7 by the North Tower. It damaged it severly, then it burned unchecked for hours.

And when Silverstein said pull it, he meant pull the firefightes and other first responders because they could tell it was going down.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by vonjo27 ↗

I don't know. The controlled-demolition of the WTC 1,2, and 7, the missile at the Pentagon, the invisible plane in Shanksville, the oil wars, the policing of the world, and the complete destroying of our constitution (NDAA, CISPA, Patriot Act, etc) has me preoccupied. I'll just take your word on the Winter Garden, it yours!

You'll take "my word" when I have posted pictures showing the damage I speak of ? That's funny.

[Billthegravedigger]

Gone again ? Must have had to look up what I am saying, to try to tie it to a conspiracy.

[Billthegravedigger]

Look man, you can think whatever crazy bullshit you want, I am not trying to change anyone's mind so much as I am showing there are logical explanations for the towers and pentagon, and United 93.

You want to belive crazy shit, that is your perogative. However, I can tear your "so called proof" to shreads in front of your eyes, the question is, would you beleive it if I did ? Probably not, however, if you are intersted in debating the subject, just check out "Come on in John, have a seat and let's talk" in the general interest section. And you can also check out "9/11 in laymen's term" in the general interst section as well. I started both threads, so if you don't see them, click on my profile, find all threads started by Billthegravedigger, and then you will see them.

[Billthegravedigger]

Here is something for you to ponder as well. In case you thought I was full of shit about the distance between the North Tower and winter gardens, and the distance between the North Tower and WTC # 7, look at this.

I realize it is not the best way to prove it, but it will put things in perspective somewhat. All I did was cut out the Marriot Hotel in both pictures, and oriented them differently. Everything is the same size in both pictures. You can tell there was more distance between the North Tower and winter gardens, yet they still suffered severe damage. So why couldn't the North Tower do damage to WTC # 7 ? It could, and it did. The Marriot Hotel was 330 feet long.

Between the pictures of WTC #7, and the maps, and the pictures of the pentagon, if you still think you are right, please prove me wrong.

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I saw John Jacob Jingleheimerschmidt in the smoke.

Great job to everyone who added to this... I learned more here than anywhere else

Eat a dick to those who derailed the thread.

Fuck off right back at ya to those who are gonna fuck me off with a groan.

[vonjo27]

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Bullshit huh ? Ok. Looks like a hole the size and shape of the plane to me. And you see that BIG RED ARROW ? That shows where the building was begining to collapse.

Dude, we're going around in circles. You're pictures only prove what I know to be true. Forget the arrows, forget the fire, forget the collapsing- THERE IS NO FUCKING PLANE IN ANY OF THE PICTURES. What you see is a damaged building that has been hit by a missile. You can twist it any way you want, but that doesn't produce a plane. Explain the defense system, the still-shit cameras, the confiscated videos, the new reporters, the workers, the eye-witnesses, pilots, the firefighters, the employees, the experts, the US Major General- ALL SAID THERE WASN'T ANY FUCKING PLANE.
And like the pentagon pictures, the ones of Building 7 prove what I believe to be true as well. As you're map points out, building 7 is across the street, the FURTHEST building from 1 and 2. There were closer building that sustained far worse damage that didn't collapse. And Silverstein wasn't talking about firefighters- the firefighters had already been pulled after the towers collapsed- that's a fact. There are too many "coincidences" in your stories, my friend. That statistical probability of all those coincidences surrounding 9/11 being true are in the billions.
You don't even have to look at the evidence of 9/11- look at what has happened since. It all points to a false-flag operation. You're sad, and pathetic. I was like you too, but thank God I'm no longer a mindless zombie. Good luck- this conversation is over, finally!

[Billthegravedigger]

And like the pentagon pictures, the ones of Building 7 prove what I believe to be true as well. As you're map points out, building 7 is across the street, the FURTHEST building from 1 and 2. There were closer building that sustained far worse damage that didn't collapse.

Perhaps because they were not HIGHRISES ? That ever cross your mind ? Tower one and two collapsed do to severe structural damage from the plane man, it's that simple. I PERSONALLY watched the NOrth Tower collapse and hit WTC # 7, it tore it all to hell. I watched that building lean to the South for over two hours, and I watched it burn out of controll for for hours, then collapse.

It did not come down in 6 seconds. The penthouse fell of frontwards to the south, the other parts came down 8 seconds later. That right there throws you 7 second theory right out the window.

[robot]

You sir, have never been in the WTC. And even if you were, the way the planes struck - those holes they made meant that in that area of the building, there was less to support the floors above. That's why it ultimately collapsed from impact and fire. The Pentagon is not a building over 100 stories tall. The only similarity is that pretty much both planes disintergrated - the debris still with velocity moving like it was liquid through the building JUST LIKE the debris moving through the pentagon. You also have to take into account the VERY open floor plan of the WTC and that there were not multiple rings of concrete structures, like in the Pentagon.

[Billthegravedigger]

Have fun if the conversation is over finally.