[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by synthninja ↗

It's ok that you don't want to know the truth. But there's thousands of people directly affected when their family members were lost forever. The first responders to the emergency are having to live with life long ailments, they suffer daily. I wouldn't go telling these people to call a waambulance like you just did. But okay, you call for it then.

However bad the situation, I'd always prefer to know what's really happening. I take offence to your suggestion that we wouldn't know what to do with the truth. Maybe it would be difficult/hard etc but wouldn't you rather know the real situation?!

People hate muslim people more than ever now. Now I'm not muslim, and I don't have any family members muslim, but I do not want blame attributed to the wrong people. No matter which religion, colour or creed. This is just one more reason that the truth would make a huge difference. Think of the impact on the world.

I don't want another World War. If that happened, we would all be calling a waambulance, wouldn't we.

Let me ask you a question. Not being a smartass though it may come out that way. If a grizzly bear walked up and smacked the shit out of you, would you go around telling people it was bigfoot that smacked you ?

You want the truth ? It is staring you in the face and you can't see it for what it is man. What the fuck ? It's this simple folks, our goverment knew it was coming, they did nothing to stop it. PERIOD.

But I have news for you guys, it was planes that brought down the towers through the combination of impact destroying major supports, then the fires weakening the rest of the steel. What you do not seem to understand is THE TOWERS HAD TO HAVE THE FLOOR TRUSSES TO REMAIN STANDING. Ifr they went the whole thing goes. The inner core could not stand without them. The outer perimiter walls could not stand with out them. They were what tied it all together. When those key elements were gone, so was the rest of it.

If you truely think it was a cruise missle that hit the pentagon, I have some ocean front property to sell you in Ohio. Have you even seen the entire hole left by United 77 ? It was the size of the plane folks. It was not completely visible in all pictures, but it was the size of the plane for the most part.

And United 93 ? I guess all of those passengers were lying talking to their families for the LAST time.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by synthninja ↗

Because the sticker/plate is nowhere near the strongest part of the plane. Yet it survived...

The 757 has 2 engines with some parts made of Titanium alloy. Very tough metal alloy. Where are the engines/part of the engines? Where's the marks on the walls where the engines should have struck. No grass marks...

Why were the windows intact where the wings would have hit.

One engine was found inside.

But not two.

Here's another short 2 minute video. Take a little lookie, why not....

The video ? It's called a change in perspective man. Want an example ? Look at this picture very closely. See where the mangled remains of the jumper are ?

[Billthegravedigger]

Now check this one out. Same metal pole, same jumper's mangled remains. You can see a firefighter, but you can still see the jumper's remains behind him too. Looks different huh ? That's because it was taken from a different spot than the first picture. Very easily explained.

[Billthegravedigger]

Because the sticker/plate is nowhere near the strongest part of the plane. Yet it survived...

And........this means what ? Would you consider paper stronger than the towers ? I would not, but maybe you do. My point is this, look at the picture. There is paper everywhere that survived the plane impact and fire, because had it not, it would not be lying on the ground in this picture, would it ?

[BBKF]

Originally Posted by synthninja ↗

It's ok that you don't want to know the truth. But there's thousands of people directly affected when their family members were lost forever. The first responders to the emergency are having to live with life long ailments, they suffer daily. I wouldn't go telling these people to call a waambulance like you just did. But okay, you call for it then.


I WAS directly effected. I lost people in the WTC. Did you over there in Scotland?
However bad the situation, I'd always prefer to know what's really happening. I take offence to your suggestion that we wouldn't know what to do with the truth. Maybe it would be difficult/hard etc but wouldn't you rather know the real situation?!

People hate muslim people more than ever now. Now I'm not muslim, and I don't have any family members muslim, but I do not want blame attributed to the wrong people. No matter which religion, colour or creed. This is just one more reason that the truth would make a huge difference. Think of the impact on the world.

I don't want another World War. If that happened, we would all be calling a waambulance, wouldn't we.

I WAS directly "affected". I lost people in the WTC. Did you over there in Scotland? I know the truth about 9/11. What needs to be known. MY POINT was we do not need to be hand fed every secret that the government may or may not hold due to national safety and defense of our country. What else do you need to know about what happened that day? Our own aircrafts were hijacked and used as weapons to fly into the trade centers and the pentagon and one crashed in PA. We know they were hijacked and by whom. We know many innocent people were killed and others scarred for life by witnessing this event personally. Nothing else needs said anymore. Unless you are a conspiracy theory nutcase. If the government is not publishing certain materials it is either to protect the families of the survivors or the survivors themselves, or for national security. I am one of the most liberal people in the US and I believe this. I usually agree with nothing the government does or says. Do you think conspiracy cases are helping the victims, survivors or families? Ask Bill. He was there. He was on the bottom while his best friend was on the top killed or dying. (sorry Bill)

[synthninja]

I think there was a man from Dundee yea. I'll have to check up and see how many Scots we lost...

If you lost people then I'm sorry. I can understand you wanting to forget it. This site isn't gonna help with forgetting it I don't think.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by BBKF ↗

I WAS directly "affected". I lost people in the WTC. Did you over there in Scotland? I know the truth about 9/11. What needs to be known. MY POINT was we do not need to be hand fed every secret that the government may or may not hold due to national safety and defense of our country. What else do you need to know about what happened that day? Our own aircrafts were hijacked and used as weapons to fly into the trade centers and the pentagon and one crashed in PA. We know they were hijacked and by whom. We know many innocent people were killed and others scarred for life by witnessing this event personally. Nothing else needs said anymore. Unless you are a conspiracy theory nutcase. If the government is not publishing certain materials it is either to protect the families of the survivors or the survivors themselves, or for national security. I am one of the most liberal people in the US and I believe this. I usually agree with nothing the government does or says. Do you think conspiracy cases are helping the victims, survivors or families? Ask Bill. He was there. He was on the bottom while his best friend was on the top killed or dying. (sorry Bill)

It's ok. You are just saying what needs to be said.

[synthninja]

Originally Posted by BBKF ↗

I WAS directly "affected". I lost people in the WTC. Did you over there in Scotland? I know the truth about 9/11. What needs to be known. MY POINT was we do not need to be hand fed every secret that the government may or may not hold due to national safety and defense of our country. What else do you need to know about what happened that day? Our own aircrafts were hijacked and used as weapons to fly into the trade centers and the pentagon and one crashed in PA. We know they were hijacked and by whom. We know many innocent people were killed and others scarred for life by witnessing this event personally. Nothing else needs said anymore. Unless you are a conspiracy theory nutcase. If the government is not publishing certain materials it is either to protect the families of the survivors or the survivors themselves, or for national security. I am one of the most liberal people in the US and I believe this. I usually agree with nothing the government does or says. Do you think conspiracy cases are helping the victims, survivors or families? Ask Bill. He was there. He was on the bottom while his best friend was on the top killed or dying. (sorry Bill)

Conspiracy theory nutcase.... hmm. I don't like when people talk like this.

The government has an agenda. The richest people in America may have another agenda. I think it's important to want to know intentions of these people.

"If the government is not publishing certain materials it is either to protect the families of the survivors or the survivors themselves, or for national security."

I disagree. The government haven't really shown much if any sympathy toward the families of the survivors. What you're saying sounds great but it's not true sadly. The government has an agenda, and keeping you safe isn't the top priority I'm afraid.

[BBKF]

double post sorry

[BBKF]

"If you lost people then I'm sorry. I can understand you wanting to forget it. This site isn't gonna help with forgetting it I don't think."

Now that we do agree on! No it won't, especially since I get so mad at "armchair physicists and engineers." I know about discrimination of the muslim people as I worked for AA before and then much later than 9/11. At first it was horrible. Trying to be kind... I guess many had a "knee jerk reaction" to the tragedy. It wasn't fair and still isn't as I don't believe it has gotten a whole lot better. The US has never suffered a monumental terrorist act of this magnitude. We thought it wouldn't happen to us. We trusted the government agencies were sharing important information to keep us protected. We were wrong. Then to see a group of people on television cheering. I mean effing cheering that our friends and loved ones were maimed. That picture will not leave my mind. They weren't terrorists. They were just people...children...jumping up and down and laughing and clapping and screaming for joy. I think that didn't help the already rampant discrimination. But we know who the terrorists were and it just boggles my mind that people actually think that our government staged this. I don't think many could hate Bush as much as me, but I just don't see it. I am educated, my son is a physicist and engineer. His father is an engineer. It feels like a slap in the face every time someone tries to make this into something other than what is was. I feel insulted not only for me, but my friends and Bill's friend and everyone who lost people. The people in the planes, the 911 calls from dying people. Yes...I am traumatized as most of us probably still are years later. The sound of a jet flying over, the sound of sirens...and I was just a television viewer, can you possibly imagine how Bill feels after being there and hearing and feeling the bodies hit and explode....didn't mean to go on and on.

My whole entire point was that sometimes information can be very dangerous to our safety if released and gave the OBL military operation as an example of the danger of some leaks. Some discretion is needed at times so the wrong people do not get the info.CNN is a terrorists best friend. Sorry so long.