[azdesertsnake01]

Originally Posted by bushbarbie ↗

Although the fact that the suspects were described as wearing body armour, and their vehicle may have been rigged with booby traps / IEDs, does point to something more premeditated.

Not that the body armour seems to have helped much

That is why I said SO FAR, lol. I am always careful to not paint myself into a corner with words until more is known. We now know about the body armor. Body armor won't protect against that many bullets. And according to what type it is, it most likely won't protect at all against m16's, etc.

But it does still as of now appear that it wasn't an isis type of terror planned event. It was personal issues. I guess they didn't kiss his allah loving ass enough. Plus it's worth pointing out that a devout allah lover has no place in CA. It's known as the most liberal state in the country. So for a muslim to live there is just a problem waiting to happen. You just know they would feel like they are surrounded by the great satan on a daily basis, lol.

[bushbarbie]

Originally Posted by Pigeon ↗

I suspected the woman involved might be his wife. Neither of them apparently gave a fuck about the baby they left behind.

Well hopefully now that baby can be taken away and put with a family that doesn't radicalise it throughout its childhood, thereby perpetuating the cycle.

[RealityUnfolding]

Originally Posted by 5150 ↗

*snip* One doesn't get upset at work and then come back 20 minutes later with 2 more people, decked out in body armor and armed to the teeth, to take out some co-workers.

This is either a lone wolf type attack with with a couple family members or part or an international attack. Whichever it is, it was planned ahead of time and premeditated. *snip*

I maintain his position in government and her non-working status, they were financed. Their gear wasn't exactly the cheapest - they got into a new home close by the center (the same place they had the party last year) several months ago. He went to that party before to check it out and see if he could pull this off.

Average police response in USA to a serious crime in progress is 10 minutes. *snip*

Police said the response time was 4 minutes. Still a long-ass time when experiencing it, but think about this - from the first call (probably within 45 seconds of the first rounds) to police response, these people managed to shoot 31 people, drop bombs, get back out of the building - loaded with gear and guns to the hilt - get into a big SUV, get off the private access loop and away from the scene. They also still managed to get home for whatever reason, get BACK into the SUV and run. They could have just as easily walked into a school, church, mall...

~They also found the baby. It was in her mother's care... how did her mom get here?

[bushbarbie]

Originally Posted by azdesertsnake01 ↗

That is why I said SO FAR, lol. I am always careful to not paint myself into a corner with words until more is known. We now know about the body armor. Body armor won't protect against that many bullets. And according to what type it is, it most likely won't protect at all against m16's, etc.

Yes, sorry; posting from a different time zone here so apparently just catching up!

[sadvideossosad]

Originally Posted by azdesertsnake01 ↗

When I said religion is killing us, I didn't say with the exception of christianity, lol. HOWEVER, islam is the number one killer. We should be beyond taking up for these assholes people!

The real question is why every time this happens people like yourself want to jump fast to distance the religion of islam from the people doing it. As though they would have done it even if they weren't muslim. Which of course is total bullshit.

I also find it ironic how people think christians are getting a free pass when in fact it is islam that is getting one. I'm not a christian, but I can say they have been beaten down so far the past decade or two that you can't beat them down much more, lol.

Matthew 10:22
and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

[azdesertsnake01]

Originally Posted by sadvideossosad ↗

and you will be hated by all for my name's sake.*B)" data-cr="#cen-ESV-23440B" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Uh, can you translate that for me please?

[azdesertsnake01]

Originally Posted by sadvideossosad ↗

Matthew 10:22
and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Yes, but it is the texts that we didn't get to see from that era that interests me. The bible as we call it is nothing more than a collection of edited and many times mistranslated texts that was never intended to be a single book. Also the church has kept some people say as much as 90% of the original texts they have from us. But that's a whole other thread on here, lol.

[CrunchyCripple]

Wow, so it wasn't a crazy white guy

It was a crazy immigrant and his crazy wife?

You think he went postal at his place of employment? Where the hell did all of their equipment come from?

[rob666]

Originally Posted by RealityUnfolding ↗

What I mean is Qatar isn't known for terrorist camps - especially with our military presence there near Doha. There have been questions over the government not curbing financial funding and funneling through the country, but not much in the way of activities inside it. If she is Qatari, it would present a whole new issue for both our military and NATO/UN warbling.

If she's Qatari and they met in Saudi, what site did they meet online, or was that a cover story for a forced marriage (my theory, it wouldn't exactly be normal to post "Islamist extremist man seeks out extremist wife to pop out a kid and then shoot up my co-workers") - which means she was part of a radicalized family, who were inside and near our largest military base in the region. It just would raise a huge slew of issues.

A lot of this is being funded and planned out of Saudi Arabia and Qatar behind the scenes....... Those Governments are walking a fine line, they have to give the image of being on our side, but they still support, breed and finance these extremists...... Its why they're not taking any Syrian refugees too...... They hate shia more than they hate us.

The Saudis have been at the center of this from day one...... 15 of the 18 hijackers were Saudi, Bin Laden and a lot of his top people were Saudi, the pages of the 9/11 report that are still censored pertain to Saudi involvement...... ISIS has been funded, supported and encouraged by the Saudis from day one.
So yes, it raises a ton of questions, not the least of which is why are we running around putting out fires and dealing with the fallout of Saudi aggression, instead of dealing with the root issue which is the Saudis themselves?

Wahabi Islam/Saudi Arabia, the whole picture becomes pretty clear when you start digging into that hornet nest

[Bletch]

That's one bullet riddled suv, the cops didn't spare any bullets taking these two fuckers out.