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Originally Posted by brutuswakul ↗

Why would someone lie about something so publicly when they could be called out on it by others at the scene?

The slight difference adds more time to it, not so much difference a bit more info. It's not one thing, it's adding it all up. The time it took him to get to the scene, treat someone else and get to her and the additional time he watched her try to refuse help, against the severity of her injuries - especially based on what happened to the kids, it wasn't a knock on the noggin, and lack of attention to her daughter. Martin of course was likely gruesome too but Doc says he was already dead, but it seems hard to believe, if she was in her right mind - she just leaves the alive girl - probably crying and screaming - to her own devices. Any single piece maybe not, but all that together makes it a tough sell to me. I know I've never been in such a situation but I cannot imagine reaching out for all my kids if they were hurt instead of cradling one and leaving the other on the ground.

Why? To be a hero. There are thousands of people who claim heroism, survival or sad stories after 9/11. There are people claiming to be war vets and getting all the glory from it. Heck, the SEAL team contradict each other on who did what show and how. I couldn't say what motivates them - some profit, others just bask, but I'm not like that and I know they exist. Doctors, lawyers, and all sorts of people have done it before, especially in chaotic scenes where it would be hard to disprove. (Each underline is a link to a different story.)

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Originally Posted by RealityUnfolding ↗

Here is a photo of a white hat with #3 - I don't have much time today to look harder for one, there's literally thousands of designs for them. The 3 looks styled the same way though and Earnhardt's number was done in silver most often.

Actually, we discussed this earlier in the thread and came to the conclusion that it was likely a Ralph Lauren Polo Hat, as pictured below. :-) Very interesting for you to share your thoughts on this though. Thank you for that. After seeing this hat below, what do you think now?

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BBC has video of the thermal watching over. Pretty cool - you can see the flash bangs or whatever they threw in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22237501

[brutuswakul]

Sure, of course people lie. In this cae, in my opinion, I doubt he is lying. Too much to lose in his position. In those sorts of stressful situations, people remember different things, they also remember things differently. People are notoriously bad at giving accurate accounts of events in stressful situation. Sometimes they don't remember much at all. I doesn't mean much that he doesn't mention the daughter, that doesn't mean there wasn't a whole lot going on there. He was giving soundbites, not a comprehensive documentary of what happened.

Can you even imagine the mass confusion in a situation like that? Especially if you are severely injured?? There would be no logic to how the mother did or didn't behave. I've been in an emergency situations where a close family member is dying in front of me. I'm ashamed to say I panicked. It took me a long time to get over what I did and didn't do.

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Latest News (German press):

Dschochar Zarnajew is currently getting intubated and is anaesthesized.

Apart from the significant blood loss, he suffers from severe injuries to his tongue and throat from a bullet (or bullets). He might never be able to speak again.

It is not clear yet if these injuries are from the shootings with the police. It is suspected he might have put a gun to his mouth and tried to kill himself just before getting arrested.

I believe the latter, this would actually explain why he looked increasingly worse on the pictures from getting arrested to lying in the ambulance.

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some further pictures:

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Details on first shooting and death of older brother:

Speaking to CNN following Dzhokhar's capture, Deveau said that a single officer was the first to encounter the two cars that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were driving, just before 1am Friday.
One of the vehicles was a Mercedes SUV the brothers had carjacked earlier that night.
Before the officer could call for backup, the two cars came to a stop and the brothers got out.
'They jump out of the car and unload on our police officer,' Deveau said.

'They both came out shooting -- shooting guns, handguns. He's under direct fire, very close by. He has to jam it in reverse and try to get himself a little distance.'
Five others officers arrived on the scene in the middle of an intense shootout during which Deveau says over 200 rounds were fired in 5-10 minutes.
The chief said that one of the suspected bombers lobbed an explosive at the officers, which later turned out to be a pressure cooker bomb like the ones used in the marathon attack Monday.
The brothers also allegedly threw other explosives at police, which Deveau described as 'very rough devices.'
Two of the bombs detonated and two did not.
The pressure-cooker bomb exploded, and the lid was found embedded in a nearby car, Deveau said.
At one point, the older brother came directly toward police, firing a gun at officers as he inched closer toward him, but Tamerlan Tsarnaev's luck ran out along with his ammunition, allowing one of the officers to tackle him.
The older of the two Chechen brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon was wounded but alive following a police gun battle when his younger brother ran him over with a car, possibly causing his death.

'He all of a sudden comes out from under cover and just starts walking down the street, shooting at our police officers, trying to get closer,' Police Chief Edward Deveau, of Watertown, Massachusetts, said.
'Now, my closest officer is five to 10 feet away, and they're exchanging gunfire between them. And he runs out of ammunition -- the bad guy -- and so one of my police officers comes off the side and tackles him in the street.'
He was in the process of being handcuffed by two or three officers when his younger brother, 19-year-old Dzhokhar, jumped behind the wheel of a black SUV the two hand allegedly carjacked earlier and barreled toward the group.
The older of the two Chechen brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon was wounded but alive following a police gun battle when his younger brother ran him over with a car, possibly causing his death.
Officers who were restraining Tamerlan Tsarnaev got out of the way of the speeding vehicle, which ended up driving over the wounded suspect, the police chief told CNN.
According to Deveau, the 19-year-old suspect dragged his sibling’s body a short distance down the street and drove off.
He later ditched the SUV and escaped on foot.
'I am extremely lucky that I’m not at a funeral this morning for one of my officers,' Deveau said in an interview on MSNBC.
'They were heroic, very talented, and had the guts and glory to defend our town, our community, in a very tight situation.'

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was pronounced dead at a hospital a short time later.
An alleged autopsy photograph of Tamerlan that was leaked Friday shows multiple gunshot wounds and a massive open gash that spans from the center of his chest to his back.

Another smaller gash is located right below the larger wound. His right shoulder and his face show signs of hemorrhaging.
A doctor involved in treating the Boston Marathon bombing suspect who died in a gunbattle with police told the Associated Press that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had injuries from head to toe and all limbs intact when he arrived at the hospital.
Dr David Schoenfeld said 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev was unconscious and had so many penetrating wounds when he arrived at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center early Friday that it isn't clear which ones killed him, and a medical examiner will have to determine the cause of death.

The older Tsarnaev's clothes had been cut off by emergency responders at the scene, so if he had been wearing a vest with explosives, he wasn't by the time he arrived at the hospital, the doctor said.
'From head to toe, every region of his body had injuries,' he said.
'His legs and arms were intact - he wasn't blown into a million pieces' - but he lost a pulse and was in cardiac arrest, meaning his heart and circulation had stopped, so CPR, or cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, was started.

Schoenfeld did not address the police assertion that Tsarnaev was run over by a car driven by his brother as he fled the gunfire.
The doctor said he couldn't discuss specific treatments in the case except to say what is usually done in such circumstances, including putting a needle in the chest to relieve pressure that can damage blood vessels, and cutting open the chest and using rib-spreaders to let doctors drain blood in the sac around the heart that can put pressure on the heart and keep it from beating.
'Once you've done all of those things ... if they don't respond there's really nothing you can do. You've exhausted the playbook,' he said.
After 15 minutes of unsuccessful treatment, doctors pronounced him dead at 1:35am.
His body was turned over to law enforcement for examination to determine the source of his injuries.
'We did everything we could' to try to save his life, Schoenfeld said.
'There was some discussion in the emergency room about who it was. That discussion ended pretty quickly,' Schoenfeld said.
'It really doesn't matter who the person is. We're going to treat them as best we can.'


Details of capturing the 2nd brother:
After the early morning violence, officials frantically searched for the suspect who remained on the loose.
The city issued a 'shelter-in-place' request, telling residents of the greater Boston area while the streets were overun with an estimated 1,000 law enforcement officers who scoured the are for the fugitive.
Shortly before 6pm, officials announced that though they hadn't located the alleged bomber, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, they were lifting the lockdown and urged residents to exercise extreme caution and be vigilant.
One Watertown, Mass. resident took that advice to heart.
After 6pm, David Henneberry walked out to his backyard and noticed something odd about his boat, that is stored behind his home.
'He looked and noticed something was off about his boat, so he got his ladder, and he put his ladder up on the side of the boat and climbed up, and then he saw blood on it, and he thought he saw what was a body laying in the boat,' Henneberry's neighbor, George Pizzuto told ABC News.
'So he got out of the boat fast and called police.'
Authorities then used a helicopter equipped with a thermal imaging device to confirm that there was a body in the tarp covered boat and that the person was alive.

Hovering over the area, the helicopter spotted the heat signature of a person, confirming Henneberry's suspicions.
'Our helicopter had actually detected the subject in the boat,' Col. Timothy Alben of the Massachusetts State Police told NBC News. 'We have what's called a FLIR — a forward-looking infrared device — on that helicopter.
The chopper monitored the body in the boat for more than an hour before police moved in.
ATF, SWAT and K-9 units had descended upon 67 Franklin Street and engaged Tsarnaev in a vicious gun battle - over 40 shots rang out in the quiet suburban neighborhood.

'There was an exchange of gunfire,' confirmed Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis at a news conference.
'We used a robot to pull the tarp off the boat,' David Procopio of the Massachusetts State Police said to CNN.
Unconfirmed reports suggest that Tsarnaev was shot twice by law enforcement in the gun battle which raged until his capture at approximately 8:45pm.

Law enforcement sources have suggested that Tsarnaev gave himself up voluntarily after realizing continuing resistance was fruitless.
He was found bleeding heavily from gunshot wounds to his neck and foot from the shoot-out on Friday morning, which he escaped on foot before taking up his hiding place in a Watertown backyard boat.
The blood loss would have taken place over more than 20 hours by the time he was found and there were reports, which could not be confirmed, that he may have been shot a further two times last night.
'He had lost a lot of blood. He was so weak that we were able to just go in and scoop him up,' state police spokesman David Procopio told the Boston Herald adding that the suspect was in 'serious if not critical condition'.
He was rushed from the scene by ambulance and images showed apparatus being used to help him breathe.
As the suspect receives treatment at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, law enforcement officials have revealed that he injured his throat in the standoff with police and may not be able to speak, a law enforcement official toward CNN.
Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick said on Friday : '[I] hope he survives, because we have a million questions.'
Tsarnaev was captured last night in the culmination of a dramatic week-long police hunt and a completely unprecedented $333 million shutdown of Boston and its suburbs.
The medical facility where he is a patient is under heavy armed guard and federal prosecutors are standing by at the center for when the teenager is able to speak.

Victims who were injured in the deadly blast at the marathon on Monday are also among those being treated at the medical center, which has some families angry about the close proximity to the alleged mastermind.
Tsarnaev is being treated in a room yards from where 11 injured marathon victims are still in recovery while a specially drawn up High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group wait anxiously to question him.
One Boston mother, Liz Norden's two sons, Paul and J.P., were in the crowd at the race on Monday and have both lost a leg in the aftermath of the tragic event.
Her younger son, Paul, is being treated at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.
She told NBC News that she is shocked and angry that the suspect is so near.
'I can't even tell you how devastating it's been,' Liz Norden told NBC News. 'Those two [the bombers] shattered my world.'

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ble-speak.html

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Already religious apologists are all over the place saying not to blame islam. If one of them had been an atheist they'd be up his ass and around the corner.

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"He was in the process of being handcuffed by two or three officers when his younger brother, 19-year-old Dzhokhar, jumped behind the wheel of a black SUV the two hand allegedly carjacked earlier and barreled toward the group.
The older of the two Chechen brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon was wounded but alive following a police gun battle when his younger brother ran him over with a car, possibly causing his death."

Almost makes me like SUVs.

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Originally Posted by AlphaX ↗

Apart from the significant blood loss, he suffers from severe injuries to his tongue and throat from a bullet (or bullets). He might never be able to speak again.

It is not clear yet if these injuries are from the shootings with the police. It is suspected he might have put a gun to his mouth and tried to kill himself just before getting arrested.

I'm wondering too if perhaps any of his injuries are from the flashbang grenades they threw in the boat. According the the infra-red video they have of the incident, he first one landed on the bow of the boat and the second one landed right next to him, to his left side and you can see stuff flying around (it looks black because of the infra-red). Not sure but seems to me having one of these blow up right next to you could cause serious injuries.