[niknik]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

What military action should he have taken that he hasn't? He went into Pakistan to kill bhe'. s killed more top al quada teforists with drone strikes than bush ever dreamed of. How exactly has he failed at foreign policy?

Failure at foreign policy= going to war for bullshit reasons, with no exit strategy, or arming a side in every conflict with no regard for the future consequences of that.

This whole idea of blaming Obama for bush's war is crazy. Obama inherited an impossible situation, one that no leader could have completely solved.
You stay in Iraq= trillions to the debt! American lives lost, and further inflammation of the area.
He leaves? People blame him for the inevitable civil war that was destined the day saddam died.

Let's be factually correct. Obama hasn't killed more top terrorist leaders. And the Navy went into Pakistan. Which was a Bush policy, and I believed the operation started under Bush. Obama didn't inherit Iraq. He signed up for it. It is his job to do whatever he can to make it successful. Not make it much worse.


"We’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq." That's what Obama said. . That's a foreign policy failure. Because it wasn't true. He's failed miserably at foreign policy.

[GRiZ]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

What military action should he have taken that he hasn't? .

A) drawing a red line in Syria that he never backed up

B) allowing Putin to invade Eastern Europe with impunity

C) pulling our troops out of Iraq prematurely

D) acting as a one man show playing Commander in Chief and ignoring his military advisers

[GRiZ]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

This whole idea of blaming Obama for bush's war is crazy. Obama inherited an impossible situation, one that no leader could have completely solved.
You stay in Iraq= trillions to the debt! American lives lost, and further inflammation of the area.
He leaves? People blame him for the inevitable civil war that was destined the day saddam died.

Whose blaming who here? You are regurgitating so much crap you've heard off MSNBC. Obama is the worst president possibly in the history of the US. He is not only incompetent as Commander in Chief but the national debt has doubled under his administration. The debt was 7 trillion in 08'... now its 17 trillion. We borrow .42 for every dollar the government spends. Also, lets not forget all of his expansion of domestic spying and corruption in government. He should have been impeached over the IRS scandal alone. He's worse than Nixon.

[TheVrist]

I really hate that term inherited. People need to keep in mind before an administration runs, they have to carry out the following presidents policies to the best of their abilities. So it was Obama's duties to study it, learn it, love it, do it, before he took his oath.

No one really denies the fact that Bush pushed for war, Thing he did, that obama is doing differently though, is he took his actions to congress, got the votes before doing it. So far Obama has been bypassing all that jazz "practicing his authority of commander in chief" and taking us into another decade of war.

Right now we are at war for a handful of unconfirmed be-headings that was used to provoke us into attacks. Bush pushed for wars over planes taking out a pair of very important buildings, and killing quite a few CONFIRMED people.

[TheVrist]

Obama's interview.

"this is how we roll"

While we downsize military.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

Whose blaming who here? You are regurgitating so much crap you've heard off MSNBC. Obama is the worst president possibly in the history of the US. He is not only incompetent as Commander in Chief but the national debt has doubled under his administration. The debt was 7 trillion in 08'... now its 17 trillion. We borrow .42 for every dollar the government spends. Also, lets not forget all of his expansion of domestic spying and corruption in government. He should have been impeached over the IRS scandal alone. He's worse than Nixon.

He's basically everything he campaigned against. And i agree. The IRS scandal is possibly the worst thing a president has done to the democratic process. The effects are still felt today.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

My guess is they ran because they were not prepared to take on the task. Our President wanted our war in Iraq to end. It didn't matter to him the time was not right.
What should have been aired during Obama's pledges and celebrations of ending the Iraq war was he's delusional. Sure Bush's actions led to the war. Unjustly or not. But Obama was dealt that hand and decided to put his chips down and play. And his strategy was a enormous failure. I don't believe Obama gets to continue to blame Bush.

So you think we should still have hundreds of thousands of troops stationed in Iraq, and another trillion or 2 on the bill for it.

OK

[rob666]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

Whose blaming who here? You are regurgitating so much crap you've heard off MSNBC. Obama is the worst president possibly in the history of the US. He is not only incompetent as Commander in Chief but the national debt has doubled under his administration. The debt was 7 trillion in 08'... now its 17 trillion. We borrow .42 for every dollar the government spends. Also, lets not forget all of his expansion of domestic spying and corruption in government. He should have been impeached over the IRS scandal alone. He's worse than Nixon.

Obama's expansion of domestic spying?
The patriot act and the NSA's actions were continued, not started under Obama. Fact.

The debt? How much of it was the bills for bush's war that he ( bush ) paid for with tax cuts to the wealthy? you realize this is a massive part of it correct? Then theres the stimulus package, brought out to combat the biggest recession since the Great Depression ( under bush's watch ) that contributed to the debt...... The alternative to that would have been the complete collapse of the banking system, and your whole economy...... It also need to be noted that bush started the first rounds of that as well.

You want to talk impeachment

How about when Cheney outed an American CIA agent for political gain? How about leading the nation into a war that's cost trillions and had no purpose, a war that was based on lies? how about the billions that went missing in the Iraqi reconstructions? Coincidence that Halliburton could not account for a lot of it? Coincidence that Cheney was running Halliburton prior to becoming VP and giving Halliburton no bid contracts worth billions

Sure, Obama has fucked up lots of things. His public health care plan has been a disaster, he's broken promises, and he's had some scandals ie the IRS issue and the fast & furious scandal.

But putting him as the worst in history, worthy vs impeachment? Dude, you're watching too much Fox News.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by TheVrist ↗

I really hate that term inherited. People need to keep in mind before an administration runs, they have to carry out the following presidents policies to the best of their abilities. So it was Obama's duties to study it, learn it, love it, do it, before he took his oath.

No one really denies the fact that Bush pushed for war, Thing he did, that obama is doing differently though, is he took his actions to congress, got the votes before doing it. So far Obama has been bypassing all that jazz "practicing his authority of commander in chief" and taking us into another decade of war.

Right now we are at war for a handful of unconfirmed be-headings that was used to provoke us into attacks. Bush pushed for wars over planes taking out a pair of very important buildings, and killing quite a few CONFIRMED people.

Bush INVADED Iraq, for NO reason based in truth, and it's cost us trillions.
Obama is bombing strategic targets, with NO boots on the ground.
You call this war.
What ISIS would gain by faking those beheadings rather than do them is beyond me in any case, I'm pretty sure that American bombing of ISIS positions is more related to ISIS's stated goals and the consequences of ISIS controlling a huge oil supply. The first bombs fell before anyone was beheaded, it wasn't reactionary.

[TheVrist]

All that says to me, is that we have had two terms of fucked up leadership

There is NO room for sweeping blame. Obama started out his term blowing billions on pointless shit, makes them (bush/obama) even on crap spending. Both of them made crappy war decisions, both of them were called out on scandals, both of them had very questionable terms.

To say which was worse, usually won't come to light till after the end of term. Obama will be wrapped up in investigations for a few years to come after the term ends. At which point a real transparent tally will come up. For now we can only take everything Obama does as face value.