[TheVrist]

The United states isn't theoretically one country. We're a union of states. History of each states has a story to tell. This totalitarian bullshit people root on is more depressing than seeing homage to slave traders, mostly because totalitarianism lead to far more deaths and oppression than the entire history of slavery.

I grew up on the gulf-coast.Rebel flags and statues all over the place. I never once seen black folks pass by any of them and flop out in some sort of emotional fit of rage and despair over them. In fact, you're just as much a likely chance to see some back-woods blacks running around with rebel flag license plates on the front of the vehicles, or those sun-blinders in the rear cab windows, as you would some redneck white dude.

it wasn't southern blacks that even gave a shit about any of it. It wasn't until WHITE transplant social justice idiots not even from the south stuck their noses in inciting movements against the whole ordeal, probably in hopes to get more points for their perpetual virtue signaling.

To me, it isn't at all about taking down statues and history that represents "hate" or "white supremacy" it's about people dictating to entire communities what they should love, and what traditional values they should want to preserve according to some moral handbook fabricated by emotional twats that make irrational decisions.

I just wonder if these SJW assholes seeping into the political spectrum of LA. will move north a few miles and tear down one of Louisiana's largest plantations, now a state funded museum, that was owned by a freed BLACK WOMAN.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

Robert E Lee wasnt fighting to preserve slavery. When Lincoln offered him a position as General in the Union Army he declined, because he wasnt going to bear arms against his own country (in those days the states were essentially considered a persons country). He chose to fight for Virginia because he was a Virginian, as did most Confederates. You would pick up a gun too and fight off people that were coming down into your state to annex your land. Most confederates didnt own slaves - they were defending their home. This whole "confederates are evil" bullshit shows how some people lack an understanding of history.

That's because contrary to what the few here have said in defense of taking monuments down, they have already been rewriting history.

It starts by omitting certain elements, and then it moves on to closing the gaps of the omitted things to create one bastardized narrative. So essentially they don't need to actually "rewrite" history, but with so much removed that are vital for context, it can create an entirely different narrative.

[GRiZ]

Originally Posted by TheVrist ↗

That's because contrary to what the few here have said in defense of taking monuments down, they have already been rewriting history.

It starts by omitting certain elements, and then it moves on to closing the gaps of the omitted things to create one bastardized narrative. So essentially they don't need to actually "rewrite" history, but with so much removed that are vital for context, it can create an entirely different narrative.

Yeah, and once they get what they want, theyll only want more. And where does it end? Lets just tear down all the great plantations while were at it. Who needs to visit places like Monticello or Shirley Plantation anyways? Theres a monument of Andrew Jackson in DC. Guess that needs to come down. Also, dont forget George Washington. Lets get his ass off the dolla bill. This is so ridiculous. I hope New Orleans realizes what it has done to its city and puts that shit back up. That shit wont fly here in Richmond. Outside my window here on Monument Avenue is in plain view Jeb Stuart, and a block down, Robert E Lee. Remove them and its just another city.

[el_topo]

Well hey, where's Trump when you need him?

[el_topo]

Originally Posted by TheVrist ↗

The United states isn't theoretically one country. We're a union of states. History of each states has a story to tell. This totalitarian bullshit people root on is more depressing than seeing homage to slave traders, mostly because totalitarianism lead to far more deaths and oppression than the entire history of slavery.

I grew up on the gulf-coast.Rebel flags and statues all over the place. I never once seen black folks pass by any of them and flop out in some sort of emotional fit of rage and despair over them. In fact, you're just as much a likely chance to see some back-woods blacks running around with rebel flag license plates on the front of the vehicles, or those sun-blinders in the rear cab windows, as you would some redneck white dude.

it wasn't southern blacks that even gave a shit about any of it. It wasn't until WHITE transplant social justice idiots not even from the south stuck their noses in inciting movements against the whole ordeal, probably in hopes to get more points for their perpetual virtue signaling.

To me, it isn't at all about taking down statues and history that represents "hate" or "white supremacy" it's about people dictating to entire communities what they should love, and what traditional values they should want to preserve according to some moral handbook fabricated by emotional twats that make irrational decisions.

I just wonder if these SJW assholes seeping into the political spectrum of LA. will move north a few miles and tear down one of Louisiana's largest plantations, now a state funded museum, that was owned by a freed BLACK WOMAN.

No one is saying you can't have a flag, a license plate or a statue on your property or homes. But these are all federal government buildings

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by shoelessjojackson ↗

No one is saying you can't have a flag, a license plate or a statue on your property or homes. But these are all federal government buildings

Ah! Okay. Let's cut trees down in all state parks. They were used by evil whitey to hang em, and sheit.

[TheVrist]

But hey! The totalitarian said we're allowed to have trees in our yards.


Thanks totalitarian! You decided for an entire city what they're allowed to have in their fucking yard.

[el_topo]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

Robert E Lee wasnt fighting to preserve slavery. When Lincoln offered him a position as General in the Union Army he declined, because he wasnt going to bear arms against his own country (in those days the states were essentially considered a persons country). He chose to fight for Virginia because he was a Virginian, as did most Confederates. You would pick up a gun too and fight off people that were coming down into your state to annex your land. Most confederates didnt own slaves - they were defending their home. This whole "confederates are evil" bullshit shows how some people lack an understanding of history.

The only post that makes sense in this entire thread

[shoottokill]

Government buildings and property shouldn't be honoring confederate history in any capacity. This is the United states of america, and any confederate representation is an attack on the meaning of the US flag and what it stands for, and the democratic process that brought us to where we are. U lost the civil war...take your loser memorabilia to the basement of your home and mull over some southern hick bullshit. They arent patriots, in the era of jim crow and slavery and oppression we shouldnt be honoring them on any government level. Take your unpatriotic ass to the basement and go post up your bigoted flag of hate.

[HelloNurse!]

"In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

— Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856

The evidence cited in favor of the claim that Lee opposed slavery included his direct statements and his actions before and during the war, including Lee's support of the work by his wife and her mother to liberate slaves and fund their move to Liberia, the success of his wife and daughter in setting up an illegal school for slaves on the Arlington plantation, the freeing of Custis' slaves in 1862, and, as the Confederacy's position in the war became desperate, his petitioning slaveholders in 1864–65 to allow slaves to volunteer for the Army with manumission offered as a reward for outstanding service.

I don't think people know enough about history to do this, yet we have to go around with "Obamacare" when he was easily the most dividing president in history. What the fuck ever double standard!