[rob666]

Originally Posted by tyberius ↗

Cause if you put 30k angry south Koreans on the border chances that an incident will break out increase substantially.
If you put 30K U.S. soldiers then you know the border is secured and that NK army won't do anything stupid.

It's a precaution measure, not a demonstration of power.
Regardless of the previous U.S.-NK conflict, it's still a better solution that letting SK secure the border and watch them go into open war within weeks.

We are constantly doing war games over there, especially whenever NK does something we don't like or China shakes its finger at Taiwan.
Obvious demonstrations of power.

Either way, why is it that we are always the ones that get involved in shit halfway across the world on our dime? Can we really afford another war?

[niknik]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

We are constantly doing war games over there, especially whenever NK does something we don't like or China shakes its finger at Taiwan.
Obvious demonstrations of power.

Either way, why is it that we are always the ones that get involved in shit halfway across the world on our dime? Can we really afford another war?

USA doesn't have to demonstrate power robb. I think everybody knows who we are what we have and that we are the best at using it.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

If Hitler would of had nuclear technology, you can bet the UK would not still exist.... The stakes are a whole lot higher, this is a whole different ballgame..... Its not a matter of winning a conventional war against a sane enemy, NK is not rational and they will use everything at their disposal..... This is the problem.

You're right, hitler sent young boys as young as twelve to war. He would of done anything. I don't believe nk have nuclear bomb capability yet though.

[Tyberius]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

We are constantly doing war games over there, especially whenever NK does something we don't like or China shakes its finger at Taiwan.
Obvious demonstrations of power.

Either way, why is it that we are always the ones that get involved in shit halfway across the world on our dime? Can we really afford another war?

It's not a demonstration of power Rob. It's a demonstration of freedom.
It's them showing they won't back down cause some aggressive idiot tells them to.
They have the right to perform those games and it's a normal thing in every country that gives a damn about their army.
It's good training and it's a good show. It shows citizens where their tax money is going, makes them feel safe.

If they wanted demonstration of power they wouldn't put 30k soldiers on the border.
Rob 30k soldiers scattered across the border is nothing.
If you want to demonstrate power you bring tanks and other heavy artillery to the border and then you tell them "now attack us if you dare".

If NK wanted to attack they wouldn't send thousands of soldiers to rush the border, this isn't 1915.
You use mortars, tanks and air strikes to clear their way first.

Why does U.S. army has to be in every conflict? Good question. I don't have the answer though.

[Blewvane]

Originally Posted by tyberius ↗

If they wanted demonstration of power they wouldn't put 30k soldiers on the border.
Rob 30k soldiers scattered across the border is nothing.

If US soldiers are attacked it gives the US the excuse it needs to circumvent the UN.

[Bletch]

Next war will be there on the korean peninsula. I hope the war in Afganistan is finished up so more troops are available. It wont be easy initially but NK will be rolled over and we have one less dictatorship in the world.
My greatest fear is if NK dares to use nukes.....

[Tyberius]

Originally Posted by Blewvane ↗

If US soldiers are attacked it gives the US the excuse it needs to circumvent the UN.

Do you really think NK cares about U.S. or UN?
If they do attack they will attack with everything they got.
And in that case circumventing UN will be last thing on U.S.'s mind.
Underestimating them is the dumbest thing someone can do.
NK has a strong enough army to attack. And on top of all they're behaving like brainwashed fanatics.
Underestimating them is the first step to losing the war.

[Pelle]

It's not really the first time they threats. They will probably don't do anything.

NK are a bunch of pussies. They need some serious beat up so we can free these poor people from this insane totalitarian brainwashing fascist-state.

[candymosh]

Analysts say North Korea's new missiles are fakes

TOKYO (AP) — Analysts who have studied photos of a half-dozen ominous new North Korean missiles showcased recently at a lavish military parade say they were fakes, and not very convincing ones, casting further doubt on the country's claims of military prowess.

Since its recent rocket launch failure, Pyongyang's top military leaders have made several boastful statements about its weapons capabilities. On Wednesday, Vice Marshal Ri Yong Ho claimed his country is capable of defeating the United States "at a single blow." And on Monday, North Korea promised "special actions" that would reduce Seoul's government to ashes within minutes.

But the weapons displayed April 15 appear to be a mishmash of liquid-fuel and solid-fuel components that could never fly together. Undulating casings on the missiles suggest the metal is too thin to withstand flight. Each missile was slightly different from the others, even though all were supposedly the same make. They don't even fit the launchers they were carried on.

"There is no doubt that these missiles were mock-ups," Markus Schiller and Robert Schmucker, of Germany's Schmucker Technologie, wrote in a paper posted recently on the website Armscontrolwonk.com that listed those discrepancies. "It remains unknown if they were designed this way to confuse foreign analysts, or if the designers simply did some sloppy work."

The missiles, called KN-08s, were loaded onto the largest mobile launch vehicles North Korea has ever unveiled. Pyongyang gave them special prominence by presenting them at the end of the parade, which capped weeks of celebrations marking the 100th anniversary of the country's founding father, Kim Il Sung.

The unveiling created an international stir. The missiles appeared to be new, and designed for long-range attacks.

That's a big concern because, along with developing nuclear weapons, North Korea has long been suspected of trying to field an intercontinental ballistic missile, or ICBM, capable of reaching the United States. Washington contends that North Korea's failed April 13 rocket launch was an attempt to test missile technology rather than the scientific mission Pyongyang claims.

But after poring over close-up photos of the missiles, Schiller and Schmucker, whose company has advised NATO on missile issues, argue the mock-ups indicate North Korea is a long way from having a credible ICBM.

"There is still no evidence that North Korea actually has a functional ICBM," they concluded, adding that the display was a "dog and pony show" and suggesting North Korea may not be making serious progress toward its nuclear-tipped ICBM dreams.

North Korea has a particularly bad track record with ICBM-style rockets. Its four launches since 1998 — three of which it claimed carried satellites — have all ended in failure.

Though North Korea frequently overstates its military capabilities, the missiles displayed this month might foreshadow weapons it is still working on.

David Wright, a physicist with the Union of Concerned Scientists who has written extensively about North Korea's missile program, said he believes the KN-08s could be "somewhat clumsy representations of a missile that is being developed."

Wright noted that the first signs the outside world got of North Korea's long-range Taepodong-2 missile — upon which the recent failed rocket was based — was from mock-ups seen in 1994, 12 years before it was actually tested on the launch pad.

"To understand whether there is a real missile development program in place, we are trying to understand whether the mock-ups make sense as the design for a real missile," he said. "It is not clear that it has a long enough range to make sense for North Korea to invest a lot of effort in."

Theodore Postol, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and former scientific adviser to the U.S. Chief of Naval Operations, said the Taepodong-2 design remains the more real future threat — though even that remains at least a decade away — and the KN-08 is simply a smoke screen.

"I believe that these missiles are not only mock-ups, but they are very unlikely to be actual mock-ups of any missiles in design," he said. "Fabricating a missile like the KN-08 would require a gigantic indigenous technical effort. ... The only way North Korea could develop such a missile with its pitiful economy would be if someone gave it to them."

He noted that a comparable U.S. missile, the Minuteman III, required "decades of expertise in rocket motors, and vast sums of intellectual, technological and financial capital."

Much attention, meanwhile, has been given to the 16-wheel mobile launchers that carried the missiles during the parade, which experts believe may have included a chassis built in China. That raises questions of whether China has violated U.N. sanctions against selling missile-related technology to Pyongyang.

Some missile experts say the launchers were designed to carry a larger missile than the 18-meter-long KN-08, and argue that North Korea would not have spent millions of dollars on them unless it has, or intends to have, a big missile to put on them.

But Wright said the launchers, like the missiles they carried, could also have been more for show than anything else.

"Given the international attention it has gotten from parading these missiles you could argue that the cost of buying the large trucks — which add a lot of credibility to the images of the missiles — was money well spent in terms of projecting an image of power," he said.

[niknik]

Exactly, nk can say whatever they want. Nobody in that country will question it. Or live long enough to ask twice. Which makes me wonder why so many people distrust the American government, but give creedence to dictatorships. And once again robb, stop swinging on the UN. They aren't shit, look at syria