[niknik]

Originally Posted by Mr Poo ↗

NATO constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party. It wasn't created to combat the communist bloc..

It was established to send a message, and to prevent war. A all voluntary membership, as opposed to what Russia was doing, where the support of the USSR was imposed on regions.

Look at Cuba, the people of Cuba didn't want to go to war with America. The people of Cuba didn't want Russian nuclear missiles on their soil.

[invertigo]

Originally Posted by Kelseecat65 ↗

I don't always agree with the method in which you say things, but I do agree with this part.

It is a choice. Not one I would choose.

You might be surprised which choices suddenly seem appealing when the alternative is having your head cut off.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

Civilians or combatants?

There was an uprising, he tried to quell it, and in the process wound up killing Libyan people that were trying to over run the country.

Genocide? That's news to me.

And would Putin be involved in Ukraine at all if they hadn't tried to join NATO first? What was the chain of events? What happened when Russia tried to put nukes in Cuba? America didn't like the communist bloc setting up shop on it's doorstep, but when Russia takes the same position.......

Of course Russia would be in Ukraine. First, the invasion had nothing to do with NATO.

Putin invaded Ukraine to keep control over the region. It was about Ukraine attempting to leave the sphere of influence of Russia, and make decisions in Ukraines best interest. This is why Russia invaded, not because Ukraine was going to become a military threat.

Russia is and always has been the military threat to its region. What you're implying is that all Russias neighbors shouldn't do anything to secure their own futures and security. Because then Russia has a right to interfere? But it's Russian interference that promotes this move to the west.

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by invertigo ↗

You might be surprised which choices suddenly seem appealing when the alternative is having your head cut off.

That is not an accurate or honest assessment.

Discretion may be called for - in some situations -, therefore you slowly back away from it.

If the entire population did so, it would quickly fall under it's own bloated weight.

Until then, let only moo slums bear the suffering which they themselves continue to create and support.

Let them make excuses to themselves and quit making the rest of the world miserable.


It's really amazing how fast things become 'possible' once the Pain Threshold is reached.

The fact is that the moo slum DEATH Cult has spread the Burden Of Pain that it creates and maintains over the world to include non-moo slums.

Confine this Burden Of Pain to moo slums only and you will see changes over time.

Confine this Burden Of Pain to moo slum leadership only and you will see it change immediately.


Psychopaths (moo slums) couldn't care less about the Burden Of Pain that they inflict on others. In fact, they perversely enjoy it.

For them, it's both a fun and entertaining way for them to break down those around them psychologically, financially, culturally and in terms of will until they submit to their tyrannical moo slum will.

The thing is though, it works just as easily on them when their own self-generated Burden Of Pain is redirected back on the moo slums.



Ya gosta brang it on home to 'em.


That will stop it in it's tracks.

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

Putin invaded Ukraine to keep control over the region.

Adolf Putin wants to re-establish the Evil Soviet Union Empire.

Adolf Erdogan wants to re-establish the Evil Ottoman Empire.

Adolf Ayatollah wants to re-establish the Evil Persian Empire.

[invertigo]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

That is not an accurate or honest assessment.

Discretion may be called for - in some situations -, therefore you slowly back away from it.

If the entire population did so, it would fall under it's own bloated weight.

Until then, let only moo slums bear the suffering which they themselves continue to create and support.

Let them make excuses to themselves and quit making the rest of the world miserable.


It's really amazing how fast things become 'possible' once the Pain Threshold is reached.

The fact is that the moo slum DEATH Cult has spread the Burden Of Pain that it creates and maintains over the world to include non-moo slums.

Confine this Burden Of Pain to moo slums only and you will see changes over time.

Confine this Burden Of Pain to moo slum leadership only and you will see it change immediately.


Psychopaths (moo slums) couldn't care less about the Burden Of Pain that they inflict on others. In fact, they perversely enjoy it.

It's both a fun and entertaining way for them to break down those around them psychologically, financially and in terms of will until they submit to their tyrannical moo slum will.

The thing is though, it works just as easily on them when their own self-generated Burden Of Pain is redirected back on the moo slums.



Ya gosta brang it on home to 'em.


That will stop it in it's tracks.

There's a documentary called "Obsession: Radical Islam's War against the West", if you're into that kind of thing. I'd recommend to people looking for a good 'middle of the road' piece. It's not screaming liberal or Fox News style faux reporting. It's interesting stuff. It's a bit dated by now, though. I think it was filmed in 2007. Ever heard of it?

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by invertigo ↗

There's a documentary called "Obsession: Radical Islam's War against the West", if you're into that kind of thing. I'd recommend to people looking for a good 'middle of the road' piece. It's not screaming liberal or Fox News style faux reporting. It's interesting stuff. It's a bit dated by now, though. I think it was filmed in 2007. Ever heard of it?

I have never heard of it, but I do know how people work.

ALL scams and pressure games are pretty much exactly the same since time began...once you get past the window dressing.

The 'cures' are likewise pretty much exactly the same...once you get past the window dressing.

There is nothing new going on here.

It's just the same sick sad Story Of Man over and over and over and over.

Constantly changing players and scale, but still the same.






"There is nothing new under the sun."

- Proverb

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

Adolf Putin wants to re-establish the Evil Soviet Union Empire.

Adolf Erdogan wants to re-establish the Evil Ottoman Empire.

Adolf Ayatollah wants to re-establish the Evil Persian Empire.

And if they get their shit together. Russia, North Korea, Iran, as well as their proxies could band together to go after American interest. And who knows at this point if China will side with them or us. Not to mention the middle east who would sacrifice millions to create instability and confrontation with the west.

This is the reality, always has been. An American withdrawal from bases and waters around the world isn't a solution. It's a idiotic vision that would cause way more problems than it would solve.

Nations like Russia and Iran are the real versions of what they accuse America of being. If America fell from being a world power, these countries would come in. Not as a saving grace, not to pick nations up and give them a chance at democracy and to write their own history. Russia wouldn't ask to install military bases in Great Britain, they would just do it. Iran won't spend billions aiding nations and supporting their security. They will see any nation looking to form security institutions as a threat against them and crush it.

Russia steals from its neighbors, China steals from everyone, Iran creates chaos and instability across the Arab world. These are the nation's who will fill the vacuum created by a American withdrawal.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

You are missing the critical point.


The so-called 'moderates' are the problem more so than the 'radicals'.

The so-called 'moderates' are the shaft of the spear whereas the radicals are only the tip of the spear.

Without the support of the vast majority of the mass of the spear, you would just have an impotent spearhead capable of doing...nothing.

The so-called 'moderates' provide the stability, mass, supposed 'legitimacy' (for PR purposes) and economy of scale (financing) needed for the moo slum slaughter of innocents to continue.

You don't need a large percentage of 1.5 Billion moo slums to be 'radical' to keep the world in turmoil.

TURMOIL and CHAOS is actually what they are after.

It's the Comfort Zone of the Arab/moo slum ******* which is CHAOS based.

What The West considers to be a problem, the Arab/moo slum ******* people think of and experience as 'Home Sweet Home'.

Madness and Confusion is what moo slums seek. That's why they create it everywhere they go whenever they can and as much as they can.


Sanity, Clarity and Prosperity are the moo slums' real enemies.

Ya can't run a completely insane DEATH Cult in an atmosphere of Sanity, Clarity and with a successful happy people.

I get the point entirelly, and my statment supported the point. I however elaberated in saying, we don't know just how bad it can be. And we don't have any idea how to neutralize it, since we don't have a clue numerically whom it is that are supporting the machine.

We face a silent army in the battle against islam radicalism. Most people want to sit around making exscuses for "not all muslims" but quite frankly, Bahbib down at the 7-11, that has his entire family sleeping in the back of the store, instead of investing in buying a home, could be for one of two reasons. 1, all of his funding is into savings to put his kids in college, or two, he is part of the machine.

We have so many displaced muslims all over the world taking advantage of the coorperate dollar, there is no way to know who is a true moderate, or who is a support cell.

Money is the best army builder.

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

Nations like Russia and Iran are the real versions of what they accuse America of being. If America fell from being a world power, these countries would come in. Not as a saving grace, not to pick nations up and give them a chance at democracy and to write their own history.

Sociopaths always accuse others of what they themselves are doing.

It's Mindf*cking 101.

It's the PsychoPolitical spirit of the Crazy Mother.





"Accuse others of what you do."

- Attributed to Vladimir Lenin and Karl Marx