Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

[TheVrist]

Guys, MetalMike tried justifying his vehicularwindocide in the same manner ..

[OhJstFkOffAlrdy]

Originally Posted by TheVrist

Guys, MetalMike tried justifying his vehicularwindocide in the same manner ..

Ha. Who tries to justify an accident? That's just paradoxical.

[TheVrist]

Calm your pasty pale tits, I was kidding

As far as your statement, I would totally agree, had he actually took part in an organized outfit himself. The premeditation of escape really isn't justification for sanity. That is just part of the role he built into his false reality. It is also part of natural flight instinct. Just about every nutcase predator in the world goes into flight mode when it comes down to the act of being caught. Even nutcases that love to play the game of cat and mouse, and even WANT to be caught, attempt escape.

He has all of the classic signs of a very sick individual. Trying to dismiss it as a radical racist isn't plausible, because radical racist look for others that share their ideas, and become sociable to seek justifications for the predetermined acts.

Now on the flipside, many people already sit around on "the edge" they could live their entire lives on "the edge" and sometimes it can just take a small amount of substance to send them into blind acts of psychotic episodes. He was on heavy doses of drugs.

With all that said, what will people focus most on in this instance?
Guns, and race.

When the underlying issues are really, drugs and mental health.

[Nite]

Then there's this
Good ol boys

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by Nite

Then there's this
Good ol boys

In most gulf coast cities they have several flags. The U.S flags fly at half mast, while the french, spanish,british, confederate etc flags remain full. Those flags don't represent the same thing as the American flag.

ofc it didn't take long for someone to nitpick.

[OhJstFkOffAlrdy]

Originally Posted by TheVrist

Calm your pasty pale tits, I was kidding

As far as your statement, I would totally agree, had he actually took part in an organized outfit himself. The premeditation of escape really isn't justification for sanity. That is just part of the role he built into his false reality. It is also part of natural flight instinct. Just about every nutcase predator in the world goes into flight mode when it comes down to the act of being caught. Even nutcases that love to play the game of cat and mouse, and even WANT to be caught, attempt escape.

He has all of the classic signs of a very sick individual. Trying to dismiss it as a radical racist isn't plausible, because radical racist look for others that share their ideas, and become sociable to seek justifications for the predetermined acts.

Now on the flipside, many people already sit around on "the edge" they could live their entire lives on "the edge" and sometimes it can just take a small amount of substance to send them into blind acts of psychotic episodes. He was on heavy doses of drugs.

With all that said, what will people focus most on in this instance?
Guns, and race.

When the underlying issues are really, drugs and mental health.

Radicals do not by definition have to be sane, nor do they have to be active members of a larger group or organization to be effective in their actions. Just look at ISIS and their "lone wolves." It is primarily beliefs, not banners, that bind men to a cause.

His flight will most certainly be submitted as evidence of his capacity to understand the forthcoming charges, i.e. his sanity by legal standards. Escape and attempts to conceal a crime are two of the greatest indicators that a defendant knew that what they were doing was wrong at the time that they committed their crime. So in other words, a justification for sanity (at least in the legal sense) is exactly what it happens to be.

Society has always had and will always have -- some would say "produce" -- those who feel irreparably alienated from it. The only difference between our culture now and our culture as it was in previous decades is that it's far far easier for even most "normal" people to become disconnected with one another in general due to the proliferation of all things internet. When that becomes commonplace, it only further exacerbates the disconnect that those on the fringe already feel by further lowering the standards of what is considered to be a healthy and acceptable level of social involvement and human interaction. Couple that with not only an endless flow of sensationalistic media masquerading as factual journalism, but also free and easy access to the kind of information required to build things like home-made explosives, and a failing mental health system that prefers to throw pills at problems like blind men throwing darts at a board, and the volatility and payload of society's outlying "ticking time bombs" increases exponentially.

I would also venture a guess that American society's gradual drift away from the kind of traditional values that produce stable nuclear families has resulted in a more casual or aloof approach to parenting that unfortunately loosens the reins on potentially problem children and allows them to operate under a much less watchful parental eye. While that may not be the case with Mr. Roof, I myself have lost count of the times I've personally witnessed parents and their children spending time together in public staring at their phones and exchanging a minimal amount of words (if any). For a child that for one reason or another has never had much success at "fitting in," it can easily result in a feeling of even further separation from general society and, by extension, humanity as a whole.

[TheVrist]

Just look at ISIS and their "lone wolves." It is primarily beliefs, not banners, that bind men to a cause.

I am glad you said this... As I knew you would. It is just proof how the media has portrayed every act of insanity to fit a particular profile that totally eliminates any potential for real underlying problems. Many of the so called "lone wolves" only asserted themselves into the accumulation of cause for their actions. Some of the most recent events of "lone wolf activity" produced little no connection other than their own purpose---alone.

Media hammers the idea their cause was for the act of Terrorism, because they focused on that psycho's particular obsessions, why? because it is/was hot topic. The same they are/will doing here, focus on the obsession that drove the episode. Other mass murderers with dull or mundane obsessions hardly were viewed or surfaced, if they were not a hot topic.

Just pay attention to how the events of alleged ISIS lone wolves, and now this racist radical's 15 minutes of fame unfolds. then reflect on the significant difference from numerous other mass murders. Most that didn't have a current hot topic attached to their driven obsession pre-event, they spent more time re-reeling the actual event, not so much his driving point.

[TheVrist]

His flight will most certainly be submitted as evidence of his capacity to understand the forthcoming charges

Of course it will, in fact in legal definition NOTHING he did will be considered insane. It has been a common practice in law, with small doses of changes to it, to completely abolish the ability to make insanity pleas, and all of the loopholes associated with it. The guy could have been bouncing around calling himself Dean Martin, building poopoo snowmen in the middle of the church, and still be denied a the plea. Does not mean he isn't insane, it just means the judicial system wants to full control (as per voters choice) and the state handle it.

He will be charged, have some state paid physiatrist deem him fit for trial, get tried, adjudicated guilty, then sent to one of the state medical prisons that just so happens to accommodate crazy people.

[Azimuth]

He's not insane. He planned to do this for years; fry him.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by azimuth

He's not insane. He planned to do this for years; fry him.

I'd fry him either way. Point isn't rather he should be excused for his actions at all. Point is, the media focus applying yet another stigma to an already diminishing social standing.

racist or not, mentally healthy people don't sit around doing drugs and plotting mass murders.