Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by rob666

Wallace had a change of heart? More like he was politically savvy enough to know he had to publicly say the right things to stay in office.

So you'd have me believe there is no issues down there, huh? 200 years of shit has been erased in 30-40 years?

I can say that where I live there's still a lot of animosity, and it didn't have nearly the history behind it.

Well, I can say I have lived in the "dirty south" in the most densely black populated cities in the south, for going on 40 years. I can honestly say, most (if not all that i personally encountered) of my black friends and family members (yes I went there) has never sat around dwelling on slavery, or oppression from 50 years ago.

Most older black people, even my ex black father in law (yes, went there again) recognized the leaps -not baby steps- from 1960s to 2015 on progress and how fortunate young blacks are today.


Here, in the filthy racist south, we have a huge population of black professionals. Most govt offices are employed by mostly blacks, police chiefs, mayors, district attorneys, rich blacks.

The blacks that isn't making it because of their race, are the ones that refuse to apply themselves, and they sit around allowing the far left whites to make excuses for them, and blame the far right whites for their oppression.

It don't matter HOW many laws you make, HOW much awarenesses you spread, or how many fabricated racial stories you feed, there will always be Blacks, at the bottom of the class scale raising hell at the evil whites at the top. As long as you have people that enables them to do it.

[TheVrist]

In other news... Gold's Gym is being attacked, because dude wore a Gold's gym shirt, so they get the racial brunt ...

And anyone really question how easy it is to lead the mass around by BS in this country?

[rob666]

Originally Posted by TheVrist

Well, I can say I have lived in the "dirty south" in the most densely black populated cities in the south, for going on 40 years. I can honestly say, most (if not all that i personally encountered) of my black friends and family members (yes I went there) has never sat around dwelling on slavery, or oppression from 50 years ago.

Most older black people, even my ex black father in law (yes, went there again) recognized the leaps -not baby steps- from 1960s to 2015 on progress and how fortunate young blacks are today.


Here, in the filthy racist south, we have a huge population of black professionals. Most govt offices are employed by mostly blacks, police chiefs, mayors, district attorneys, rich blacks.

The blacks that isn't making it because of their race, are the ones that refuse to apply themselves, and they sit around allowing the far left whites to make excuses for them, and blame the far right whites for their oppression.

It don't matter HOW many laws you make, HOW much awarenesses you spread, or how many fabricated racial stories you feed, there will always be Blacks, at the bottom of the class scale raising hell at the evil whites at the top. As long as you have people that enables them to do it.

Then how is it that there's still confederate flags over State buildings, and a giant statue of Ben Tillman outside the statehouse?

Where I live, we've been in the situation of basically reviewing a lot of the historical figures that might not have been so great to certain races.

There was one British General in particular, who basically invented scalping, offered a bounty on the native men, women & children, and basically committed genocide to the best of his abilities.

So, on one side of the debate they are of the opinion that he represented the attitudes of his era, and in that context we should let history be.

On the other side of the debate, how would you like to be a native going into a Courtroom with his image on display? Basically it would be like a Jewish person going into a Courtroom, or School, or walking down a street named in Hitler's honor.

In the interest of moving forward, what is best?
The consensus here seems to be that you can't change history, but there's certain people that should not be celebrated either.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by rob666

Then how is it that there's still confederate flags over State buildings, and a giant statue of Ben Tillman outside the statehouse?

Where I live, we've been in the situation of basically reviewing a lot of the historical figures that might not have been so great to certain races.

There was one British General in particular, who basically invented scalping, offered a bounty on the native men, women & children, and basically committed genocide to the best of his abilities.

So, on one side of the debate they are of the opinion that he represented the attitudes of his era, and in that context we should let history be.

On the other side of the debate, how would you like to be a native going into a Courtroom with his image on display? Basically it would be like a Jewish person going into a Courtroom, or School, or walking down a street named in Hitler's honor.

In the interest of moving forward, what is best?
The consensus here seems to be that you can't change history, but there's certain people that should not be celebrated either.

The flags just get stigmas attached to them by race baiters, as well as apologist making a mountain out of a molehill. Most southern cities on the gulf coast to be precise has a flag of everyone who's at one time tried to overturn it.

Spanish, british, french, confederate, etc fly as historical monuments. The confederate flag was NOT just a symbol for slavery, or hate. In fact, they were basically trying to be just like what the American flag stands for today. It WAS a succession, the slavery laws were just there already, part of the succession would have just given them control of already existing laws.

Slavery didn't even become a motivational cause for the north until well after the war started. Truth be, there in the south, only 6% of the southern US population owned slaves. So all those men fighting till the death would have been pretty stupid, don't ya think?

Actually, the confederacy had made the same promises of policies that would closely resemble democratic idealism, so many of southerner soldiers who died in battle, were not fighting to keep blacks as slaves. They were fighting because the promises of a better government.

So for some people, who for whatever reason, hang on to the heritage, feel that it is a slap in the face for the family members that died, only wanting better for their country.

With all that aside, the flag later misrepresented by historians became a symbol of slavery, and of course KKK, and southern racist picked it up to use as their own little deal. So the stigma evolved. Fast forward to now, people have tried teaching the history behind the flag in its truer form. But no one will have it.

But the flag has slowly come down in most states. the few that hang on still try to hang on, but alas, people choose to ignore the truer history behind it. I know plenty of blacks that don't get all bent out of shape. But also know many who jump on the bandwagon of its evolved stigma.

it's been there for years, to be a catalyst for reason to create more shit, along with already shit.
Just like the SC deal, they have a flag to pick on to further the hype, and continue this drama in the media.

Productive? I don't think so.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by realitynoshow

This is not the mainstream media working people up into a frenzy over something that isn't real it's the hyper obsessive poorly sourced information that comes from non-accredited "news" blogs. The mainstream media has standards they adhere to. Independent blogs do not, nor do they have reports on the ground, they merely cannibalize existing information combined with pull quotes from "sources" that usually are about as credible experts on the subjects at hand as all of us posting right now on this board. The propaganda of hate groups may be more cringe inducing to most, but frankly all baited evangelism masquerading as news is dangerous. Whether it be the 10,000th poorly written post that includes the words, "What the mainstream media isn't telling you about..." to this Stormfront user's thoughts on the matter:

"Another jew false flag.

They're coming for your guns American brothers. The ignorant non thinking ***** is their foot soldier. Be prepared."

It's all dreadful crap, but to say race isn't an issue in America because you have a positive work environment and a diverse group of pals that commingle well is incredibly naive. My day to day is also filled with positive interactions with people of all races with no racial tension, but that doesn't mean my next door neighbor isn't a bigoted piece of shit. It's out there and it's deep seated and generations older than what we currently call the mainstream media.

The blood is not on CNN's hands. Heck it's not even on the hands of the WN movement. It's on Dylann Roof's. How someone could call this a behavior problem then absolve an individual of all responsibility for their actions and blame the media? Come on now.

You make some good points, but I think you're dismissing the media's role. Not necessarily in this latest shooting, but they play a part in helping the movement gain momentum.

If no cameras were in Ferguson, if no media swarmed Baltimore, would there have been such a turnout? I think not.

Nobody would know who Trayvon Martin was outside the city he lived if it wasn't for mainstream media.

The mainstream isn't inciting violence, but it's giving the movement (black lives matter) a lot of legitimacy and popularity. Because most people don't visit fringe websites. Most people who frequent hate websites already hate.

If every week you turn on cnn and they are talking about police brutality, and every week they find another example to talk endlessly about. It has a effect on a lot of people.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by rob666

Then how is it that there's still confederate flags over State buildings, and a giant statue of Ben Tillman outside the statehouse?

Where I live, we've been in the situation of basically reviewing a lot of the historical figures that might not have been so great to certain races.

There was one British General in particular, who basically invented scalping, offered a bounty on the native men, women & children, and basically committed genocide to the best of his abilities.

So, on one side of the debate they are of the opinion that he represented the attitudes of his era, and in that context we should let history be.

On the other side of the debate, how would you like to be a native going into a Courtroom with his image on display? Basically it would be like a Jewish person going into a Courtroom, or School, or walking down a street named in Hitler's honor.

In the interest of moving forward, what is best?
The consensus here seems to be that you can't change history, but there's certain people that should not be celebrated either.

I think it's crazy to review history and decide who's worthy and who's not of recognition. Especially when you're going to hold a era to today's standards of political correctness social standards..
In that case basically every founding father would have blemishes, and should not be celebrated for their sacrifices.
Look at Abraham Lincoln. Most people think he was fighting for blacks, to free them, to give them rights. Nobody really is calling for him to be removed from the currency, or his picture taken down in the hundreds of schools named in his honor. But if we start down the road of reviewing these people with today's standards
Lincoln will ultimately be labeled a racist and removed.

Quotes from Lincoln.

Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man. I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

[curvature]

Originally Posted by cortdb

thanks for this post man. I live a couple hours from this and I fucking hate the fact that this didnt get ANY national attention. For fucks sake they kept this woman in a trash can and made her perform oral sex on them and tried to kill her with drain cleaner.

How many times is this terrible incident going to be repeated in flawed point, in a childish one upmanship game?

Killing black children in churches is well, quintessential hate crime - a historical and irrefutable classic and horrific racist act. Admitted by the perpetrators and their supporters themselves

That was probably part of the kids mental palette of grievous action.

There is no excuse. For any brutality on any innocent people.

For any one here to try to minimize it by defaulting to another case or grasping at straws is pretty transparent.

Its fucked up yo. Sorry you hate black people so much you cant be objective and just say : Wow that is so wrong.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by TheVrist

In other news... Gold's Gym is being attacked, because dude wore a Gold's gym shirt, so they get the racial brunt ...

And anyone really question how easy it is to lead the mass around by BS in this country?

While burning the flag.

[niknik]

But then there's this.

[gatagato]

Walmart, Amazon, Sears, eBay to stop selling Confederate flag merchandise

America's leading merchants have spoken: The Confederate flag is coming off the shelves.

Walmart, Amazon, eBay and Sears all announced bans on the sale of Confederate flag merchandise, amid an intensifying national debate over the use of the controversial flag.

The announcements are the latest indication that the flag, a symbol of the slave-holding South, has become toxic in the aftermath of a shooting last week at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina. Gov. Nikki Haley announced in a Monday afternoon news conference that she supports removing the Confederate flag from the state capitol grounds.

"We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer. We have taken steps to remove all items promoting the confederate flag from our assortment -- whether in our stores or on our web site," said Walmart spokesman Brian Nick. "We have a process in place to help lead us to the right decisions when it comes to the merchandise we sell. Still, at times, items make their way into our assortment improperly -- this is one of those instances."

A spokesperson for Amazon told CNN Tuesday afternoon that the company would also remove Confederate flag merchandise.

Johnna Hoff, an eBay spokesperson, said that the Confederate flag has "become a contemporary symbol of divisiveness and racism." It is banning the sale of Confederate flags and "many items containing this image," Hoff said.

RELATED: Nikki Haley calls for removal of Confederate flag

The three companies' statements came in response to a CNN inquiry Monday.

Sears Holdings Corporation, which operates Sears and Kmart, also said it would remove confederate flag merchandise sold by third-party vendors online. It does not currently sell confederate flags at its stores, Sears Holdings spokesman Chris Brathwaite told CNN.

As of Monday, Walmart.com carried the Confederate flag as well as attire featuring the flag's design, such as T-shirts and belt buckles, and the auction site eBay also carried the Confederate flag and accessories such as handbags and jewelry. Amazon.com list pages of Confederate flag-related products, ranging from the flag itself to folding knives, T-shirts, blankets and even shower curtains).

Sales of three versions of the flag were up 1,670% to 2,305% over a period of 24 hours, according to Amazon data. One of those flags, priced at $1.80 plus shipping, is currently the ninth best-selling item in the Patio, Lawn & Garden department and the top-selling item among all outdoor flags and banners sold on Amazon.

The long-running debate over displaying the Confederate flag on government buildings took a swift turn after last week's massacre in Charleston, which left nine African-Americans dead in their church. The shooter, 21-year-old Dylann Roof, has confessed to the murders and has said he wanted to instigate a "race war."

One widely circulated photo of the shooter holding a gun and a Confederate flag has stirred intense outrage. Critics of the flag quickly called on South Carolina to take down what is widely viewed as a symbol of racism.

Haley on Monday declared it was time to remove the flag from the capitol grounds.

"This flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state," the second-term governor said, in an announcement that drew thunderous applause and cheers.

Haley was surrounded by many of the state's elected officials, including Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott, Democratic Rep. Jim Clyburn and Republican Rep. Mark Sanford.

Many of the 2016 GOP presidential candidates and likely candidates -- including former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker -- voiced their support for Haley's decision following her speech.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/22/po...outh-carolina/

NASCAR backs movement to remove Confederate flag from S.C. Statehouse

NASCAR, a sport with deep Southern roots, issued a statement Tuesday supporting the movement to take down the Confederate flag from the South Carolina Statehouse grounds. The racing sanctioning body also reiterated its stance that while it discourages its use, it will not ban the flag from being flown by fans during race weekends.

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley urged state legislators Monday to pass a bill to remove the flag from the Statehouse grounds five days after nine African-American worshipers were shot and killed by 21-year-old Dylann Roof at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.


Since the killings, photos have emerged of Roof posing with the Confederate flag, a symbol often used by white supremacists but also embraced by those who see it as a symbol of Southern heritage.

"As we continue to mourn the tragic loss of life last week in Charleston, we join our nation's embrace of those impacted," NASCAR said in a statement released Tuesday afternoon. "NASCAR supports the position that South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley took on the Confederate Flag on Monday.

"As our industry works collectively to ensure that all fans are welcome at our races, NASCAR will continue our long-standing policy to disallow the use of the Confederate Flag symbol in any official NASCAR capacity."

NASCAR fans often fly flags from their campsites and motor homes while camping at the track. The Confederate flag, while not as common as in the past, still is the flag of choice of some NASCAR fans, especially at places in the Deep South such as Darlington Raceway in South Carolina. NASCAR has supported a program that would exchange flags of NASCAR drivers for Confederate flags at tracks.

"While NASCAR recognizes that freedom of expression is an inherent right of all citizens, we will continue to strive for an inclusive environment at our events," NASCAR said in the statement.

International Speedway Corp., the track operating company that owns Darlington Raceway, does not allow the sale of merchandise that include the Confederate flag at its 12 Sprint Cup tracks. Speedway Motorsports Inc., the operator of eight NASCAR tracks, also has a ban on those items being sold.

"We join NASCAR in support of South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley's position on the Confederate flag," ISC president John Saunders said in a statement. "ISC strives to ensure all fans are welcome to enjoy our events and maintains an inclusive environment at our facilities nationwide.

"ISC will continue our long-standing practice to prohibit the sale of Confederate flag material on our property."

The majority of stock in ISC is controlled by the France family, which also owns and operates NASCAR.

In 2012, Phoenix International Raceway planned to have golf star Bubba Watson drive the "General Lee," the car he owns from "The Dukes of Hazzard" television series, in a parade lap before its March race. NASCAR balked because the car has a Confederate flag painted on the roof (as it appeared on the show), and after conversations with track officials, those plans were canceled.

There is one African-American full-time driver -- Roush Fenway Racing's Darrell Wallace Jr., who competes in the Xfinity Series -- in NASCAR's three national divisions. NASCAR operates a "Drive for Diversity" program that awards driving and mechanic opportunities to minorities.

Carolina Panthers officials said Tuesday there are no plans to move the NFL team's training camp out of South Carolina if the flag remains on the Statehouse grounds.

But speaking for owner Jerry Richardson, spokesman Steven Drummond said: "Our organization prides itself on bringing people together. Divisive symbols and actions should not stand in conflict to progress, healing and the unification of all of our citizens."
http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup...s-flying-races